Livingston International

For a long time, Livingston having some server issues, 7 hours is nothing most of the time takes more than 12 hrs, please make sure when booking the load to ask the broker about the customs broker
Oh, I'm well aware. I made that post like 3 years ago, probably pissed off on Friday afternoon.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by them many times more since then.

Some gems include:

-3 days to clear a load going from Seattle, WA to Vancouver, BC a year or so ago
-5+ days to clear an LTL shipment from WI to BC a month or 2 ago.

probably many others I can't think off the top of my head.
 
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4 days to clear our last load. One line on the invoice. Took them 3 days of me telling them it was a PARS and not PAPS shipment. Ended up bonding it and it took them 27 hours just to re-submit it with a port change.
Now I get to wait for the broker to tell me their client is not approving all the extra charges. (why is that ever acceptable?)
 
We have a basic shipment of cut off disks and brushes for Walter , going from one Walter warehouse in Montreal to another Walter warehouse in Connecticut.

Guess what - stupid Livingston managed to put the shipment into the FDA ( Federal Department of Agriculture ). Now FDA has placed it on hold , since they can not process the tools as an agriculture product.

What a retards , as usual.


I did not know that the shipment will be with Livingston , otherwise I would have refused the load.
 
We have a basic shipment of cut off disks and brushes for Walter , going from one Walter warehouse in Montreal to another Walter warehouse in Connecticut.

Guess what - stupid Livingston managed to put the shipment into the FDA ( Federal Department of Agriculture ). Now FDA has placed it on hold , since they can not process the tools as an agriculture product.

What a retards , as usual.


I did not know that the shipment will be with Livingston , otherwise I would have refused the load.
I am not trying to speak up for Livingston specifically but this applies to all brokers.
The shipper must've put the wrong Harmonized Tariff Code (HTC) on the paperwork. When the consumption entry is created the HTC will define if Other Government Agencies (OGA) are notified and many times it does not alert the clerk keying in the paperwork especially if there is a confirmation bias that the clerk thinks there is no OGA requirements.
It should be as simple as getting corrected paperwork and having the broker re-submit it.
 
We do not select and or pay the customs broker. They do not answer to the carriers or brokers. They only answer to their customers who are paying the bill. Usually high volume customers negotiate custom broker rates based on volume. Some high volume customers pay very very little for clearances and in turn, the customs brokers pay very little to the staff doing the front line work. It is their business model.

That being said, the transportation industry should not suffer the delays/direct cost of someone else' inability to process documents/clearances in a timely manner. Many times, if the load is being moved through a third party, they will work hard to get the problem resolved and corrected. Other times, the third parties that don't care and feel its the carriers responsibility.

Having clear agreements and understanding with your customers about sundry/additional costs is vital. If the customs broker's customer is paying the cost of their inefficiencies, there is a higher chance the pressure will come down to do a better job and or service the carrier more efficiently.

Or....just wishful thinking....
 
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We do not select and or pay the customs broker. They do not answer to the carriers or brokers. They only answer to their customers who are paying the bill. Usually high volume customers negotiate custom broker rates based on volume. Some high volume customers pay very very little for clearances and in turn, the customs brokers pay very little to the staff doing the front line work. It is their business model.

That being said, the transportation industry should not suffer the delays/direct cost of someone else' inability to process documents/clearances in a timely manner. Many times, if the load is being moved through a third party, they will work hard to get the problem resolved and corrected. Other times, the third parties that don't care and feel its the carriers responsibility.

Having clear agreements and understanding with your customers about sundry/additional costs is vital. If the customs broker's customer is paying the cost of their inefficiencies, there is a higher chance the pressure will come down to do a better job and or service the carrier more efficiently.

Or....just wishful thinking....
We have been very successful in communicating this with our direct customers and passing significant delay costs onto them. Freight brokers not so much.... :(

Just as an aside, we had one customer ask how to eliminate this cost and I told them that they should communicate directly with their vendor/broker to do the clearance; we send them the control number and they do the work. It wasn't long until they dropped Livingston for a different broker. Once they feel the pain of working (or should I say managing) with the broker they fully understood why we charged when it wasn't ready when the driver reached the border.
 
I am just curious if some more experienced carriers would be willing to share their contracts clauses or parts of regarding this issue?
Obviously, the monetary compensation amounts are irrelevant, but the wording encompassing such a vast problem would be very helpful and telling.
Isn't it the problem that carriers relaying heavily on the spot market have to deal with most often?
 
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this is an email my client received from their Livingston rep regarding a few shipments we have waiting since 1 am this morning

I am being told we did have a brief system issue this morning, but it has been restored. However, our teams are running into VPN/security access challenges.



We should have an update on this shortly. Should you run into any waiting time/carrier charges resulting from this, please send them our way.



Team,



Please provide an update on the clearance as soon as you can.
 
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this is an email my client received from their Livingston rep regarding a few shipments we have waiting since 1 am this morning

I am being told we did have a brief system issue this morning, but it has been restored. However, our teams are running into VPN/security access challenges.



We should have an update on this shortly. Should you run into any waiting time/carrier charges resulting from this, please send them our way.



Team,



Please provide an update on the clearance as soon as you can.
Oh we have to get the name of that Livingston Rep. I don't think I have ever heard one say "Send us the bill"................................
 
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I just called about my shipment, because it didn't show up in their system. I had to pull teeth for her to finally admit to me their system is down. That was just now at noon, so it apparently is not working yet.
 
@Capner believe it or not, I've had Livingston pay me direct for a delay. Needs to be a big customer, clear case and their mess up/it issue. That was oh about once in 15 years mind you...
 
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Are they still down? Tracker doesn't seem to work and seems to be taking forever to get to someone

Finally have an announcement on their website

Livingston is currently experiencing a systems outage that is disrupting our ability to process customs clearances and PARS/PAPS status updates - 06/21/2023​

Livingston is currently experiencing a systems outage that is disrupting our ability to process customs clearances and PARS/PAPS status updates. We know your time is valuable and we genuinely regret the delay and appreciate your patience. To optimize process efficiency and reduce border congestion, please do not proceed to the border until you receive “Accepted” status on your PARS/PAPS. We thank you in advance for your cooperation.