Trucker Convoy

We live in a democracy where things are changed by voting or running for office. Protests are useful to a limited extent to allow people to blow off steam. I was in Ottawa over the weekend and frankly nothing is accomplished with "F Trudeau". Like him or not, he has a tough job, and it is impossible to please everyone. The pandemic is as frustrating for him as it is for everyone else.
 
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This is a rabbit hole that could go on forever, so I'll chime in, and leave you all with two thoughts;
1) Mainstream media will not tell you the truth. Do your own research, and lots of it.
2) In the history of mankind, no republic has lasted more than 300 years.
- The U.S. is 245 years old and Canada is tied to its hip.
The Roman Republic lasted for almost 500 years.. but I agree, mainstream media, as a vital organ of democracy, is sadly often not objective, and reporters often don't bother establishing the facts. In today's media opinion seems to override fact.. SAD as Trump would say.
 
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While so called mainstream media may have its share of faults, it is still infinitely more accurate than what passes for “news” on social media, podcasts, Twitter feeds, etc. Unfortunately people like to hear stories that reinforce their own conception of reality (or misconception more often) and therefore turn to outlets that just echo their beliefs. While not perfect, I would take BBC, PBS, CBC, CTV, MSNBC over the alternatives any day.
 
While so called mainstream media may have its share of faults, it is still infinitely more accurate than what passes for “news” on social media, podcasts, Twitter feeds, etc. Unfortunately people like to hear stories that reinforce their own conception of reality (or misconception more often) and therefore turn to outlets that just echo their beliefs. While not perfect, I would take BBC, PBS, CBC, CTV, MSNBC over the alternatives any day.
I'm with you on that... everything is relative. The media are limited by time, space and the all important sound bite. Years ago, before the internet and social media, I worked briefly as a reporter for the Saskatoon Star Phoenix newspaper. One day the news editor, my boss, stormed out of his office and shouted "YOU'RE NOT WRITING FOR THE (profanity deleted) ECONOMIST!".. he told me to keep it simple.. as if I'm writing for a simple 12 year old... one thought per sentence.. no big words.. But back in the day objectivism was everything.. We were expected to report the facts, and anything that even approximated an opinion was ruthlessly edited out.
 
While so called mainstream media may have its share of faults, it is still infinitely more accurate than what passes for “news” on social media, podcasts, Twitter feeds, etc. Unfortunately people like to hear stories that reinforce their own conception of reality (or misconception more often) and therefore turn to outlets that just echo their beliefs. While not perfect, I would take BBC, PBS, CBC, CTV, MSNBC over the alternatives any day.
Respectfully, I think it could also be argued that MSM is also reinforcing your beliefs. I have not seen one article highlighting the 'good' that is happening at this protest (now that could just be me simply not seeing the articles). Yet I have seen many different views from people that are there and sharing their experiences. We are all guilty of confirmation bias for sure.
 
Respectfully, I think it could also be argued that MSM is also reinforcing your beliefs. I have not seen one article highlighting the 'good' that is happening at this protest (now that could just be me simply not seeing the articles). Yet I have seen many different views from people that are there and sharing their experiences. We are all guilty of confirmation bias for sure.
One thing that is somewhat different with the reporting of this incident is how similar the reports are regardless of which news outlet is preparing them. Whether it is the more liberal CBC, or the more right of centre National Post, the reports are strikingly similar in content. Even Sun Media, a long and very vocal critic of anything Trudeau, has accurately reported the unlawful and disruptive behaviour of the protestors and even voiced an opinion that their actions are detracting from their intended message. Perhaps the reason you haven’t seen any reports of the “good” that is happening at this protest, is simply, there isn’t any.
































































































































































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Well, with the border being delayed at Sarnia, Windsor (completely closed), Coutts, and talks of protests at Emerson, Fort Erie and Niagara Falls I don't think that Ottawa is @JustinTrudeau 's biggest problem any more.
 
You can only push people around for so long before they push back......His smugness is going to come back to bite him in the ass.....
 
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Never a good sign when a minority of loud protestors can bring a county’s economy to a standstill. Doesn’t say much for the state of our democracy when a small group who screams the loudest and can cause the largest disruptions gets to override the results of legal elections. As we are a parliamentary democracy, not a republic and certainly not a dictatorship, this problem does belong to one person. It is the duty of the entire elected government, party in power and opposition, to ensure peace and prosperity for its citizens. Allowing this disgraceful, dangerous and embarrassing display of selfish, entitled behaviour to continue is a serious stain on our country’s good name. I am sure our thousands of veterans who made the ultimate sacrifice for real freedom are rolling in their graves at this dreadful sham supposedly in the name of freedom.
 
Never a good sign when a minority of loud protestors can bring a county’s economy to a standstill. Doesn’t say much for the state of our democracy when a small group who screams the loudest and can cause the largest disruptions gets to override the results of legal elections. As we are a parliamentary democracy, not a republic and certainly not a dictatorship, this problem does belong to one person. It is the duty of the entire elected government, party in power and opposition, to ensure peace and prosperity for its citizens. Allowing this disgraceful, dangerous and embarrassing display of selfish, entitled behaviour to continue is a serious stain on our country’s good name. I am sure our thousands of veterans who made the ultimate sacrifice for real freedom are rolling in their graves at this dreadful sham supposedly in the name of freedom.
Sorry loaders...have to disagree...it's not a minority anymore...there is a reason this is gaining traction on a local, provincial, and now world level. I don't remember there being a vote about shut downs, locks down, and mandatory vaccines? Did they put that out to a vote and I missed it before implementing it?
 
I can understand how those who support this protest can get caught up in its ever changing, fluid dynamic. New protests popping up in different areas across the country, support from foreign entiites such as the Trump movement, chat sites such as this one and other social media, along with the regular, constant news coverage. However, the fact remains that the majority of Canadians, although they may have varying degrees of sympathy for some of the supposed ”goals” of the protest, still overwhelming and without question disagree and disapprove with the tactics currently being displayed. Border blockades and the occupation of downtown Ottawa or other cities are not endorsed nor supported by the silent majority of Canadians who still believe in the rule of law. As this pandemic is winding down, various Provincial governments, who are the ones who originally implemented them, are relaxing and eliminating various Covid restrictions. I for one, along with many others, remain pleased that our government has listened and continues to listen to the most current scientific and medical advise and research, as opposed to the din of an angry, unorganized mob. We choose our elected officials to make decisions on the behalf of the entire population. It wasn’t that long ago there was loud complaining that the vaccines were not being produced and distributed fast enough. People were clamouring for access to a shot. I also seem to remember that was Trudeau’s fault too. I have never voted for him, but jeez, talk about being in a “no win” situation!
 
Hi again Loaders,

I am not trying to pick a fight, as there's too much division already, however in your post above there are a couple of things that, I believe, are part of the problem/narrative:

1) the fact that the majority of Canadians disagree and disapprove and they are the believers of law and order
2) those that are protesting or who are getting "caught up" are supported by Trump and other media
3) those that appose the protest are believers of science and medical advise and those that agree are an angry unorganized mob

These are the kind of statements that encourage and create division. The whole "us and them" paradigm.
Again, I believe in your right to express your opinion, but others also have that same right to express theirs without ALL being labelled as one particular group. Just my opinion.
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Border blockades and the occupation of downtown Ottawa or other cities are not endorsed nor supported by the silent majority of Canadians who still believe in the rule of law.
How do you know that? You said it yourself ... they're silent !!! That leads to the impression "they" haven't given an opinion either way.
We choose our elected officials to make decisions on the behalf of the entire population.
It's been a long time since that happened. MPs and MPPs vote the party line, i.e. what the party leader tells them to vote, not what their constituents need or want, and they've been doing that for quite some time now. It's disappointing :(
 
How do you know that? You said it yourself ... they're silent !!! That leads to the impression "they" haven't given an opinion either way.

It's been a long time since that happened. MPs and MPPs vote the party line, i.e. what the party leader tells them to vote, not what their constituents need or want, and they've been doing that for quite some time now. It's disappointing :(
A recent (2 days ago) Leger survey indicated that approx 2/3 of Canadians opposed the protest taking place in Ottawa. The survey found that 65% of the respondents thought=the trucker convoy was “ a small minority of Canadians thinking only of themselves and not the thousands of Canadians who are suffering through delayed surgeries and postponed treatments due to the surging pandemic”. 57% of respondents indicated that they thought the convoy was not about vaccine mandates, but “ an opportunity for right wing supremacist groups to rally and voice their frustrations about society”. Just over half of those responding indicated they found the convoy in Ottawa “scary” and reminded them of the January 6 attack on the US capital. By silent, I mean, as you already know Michael, not blowing air horns, not causing the disruption of schools and public transit and screaming for the dissolution of the duly elected government. You know, regular folks not enamoured with this pseudo “call to arms”. As for your elected officials. If you are unhappy with them, change them at election time or better yet, offer up yourself as a candidate. If this protest has the kind of widespread support that so many claim it has, there should be no shortage of new MPs in Ottawa and new MPPs in Toronto to champion your cause.
 
Pretty sure the proper way to protest happens at the very least every four years. Unfortunately only about 41% of those people exercise that right. I had no idea that you could just park your car in an intersection and get out and wave a Canadian flag with no repercussions. That's not the country I grew up in...
 
Well...
First off, what you "majoriry" mentiong as a vaccine- it is not..
All your childhood vaccines did cure you from illness, now it's not the case.
This multiple shots will just trying to keep you away from hospitals and you are still can transmit the viruses..
But the more important thing is:
I don't and I should not care what medical treatments anyone takes, so should everyone else..
Rant is over, back to the bussiness..
Have loads to deliver, people to see and money to count..
Cheers!
AGREED
 
I can understand how those who support this protest can get caught up in its ever changing, fluid dynamic. New protests popping up in different areas across the country, support from foreign entiites such as the Trump movement, chat sites such as this one and other social media, along with the regular, constant news coverage. However, the fact remains that the majority of Canadians, although they may have varying degrees of sympathy for some of the supposed ”goals” of the protest, still overwhelming and without question disagree and disapprove with the tactics currently being displayed. Border blockades and the occupation of downtown Ottawa or other cities are not endorsed nor supported by the silent majority of Canadians who still believe in the rule of law. As this pandemic is winding down, various Provincial governments, who are the ones who originally implemented them, are relaxing and eliminating various Covid restrictions. I for one, along with many others, remain pleased that our government has listened and continues to listen to the most current scientific and medical advise and research, as opposed to the din of an angry, unorganized mob. We choose our elected officials to make decisions on the behalf of the entire population. It wasn’t that long ago there was loud complaining that the vaccines were not being produced and distributed fast enough. People were clamouring for access to a shot. I also seem to remember that was Trudeau’s fault too. I have never voted for him, but jeez, talk about being in a “no win” situation!
The mandate that vaccination is mandatory in certain circumstances is just that - a mandate under the quarantine act. It is not a law, decided by parliament and set before the senate. So vaccines isn't the rule of law.
The quarantine act found at https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/q-1.1/index.html was put in place in 2005 and states that the Governor in Council can make an order of certain items but no where does it say that you cannot fly or take a train or go to a restaurant or play hockey if you have not gotten a vaccine. The emergency order of the law is only for an outbreak of a communicable disease in a foreign country 58(1)(a). COVID now exists everywhere so this point is moot. It further states that the implementation of the quarantine act can only be utilized for a period of one year 60(2)(d). We are way past this. Finally 58(1)(d) states that no reasonable alternatives to prevent the introduction or spread of the disease are available. We have masks, distancing and vaccines in over 80% of the population so this point is moot.

The mandate of mandatory vaccination for certain activities is long past its usefulness and Mr. Trudeau is now reminded by the convoy that he is at the end of his rope and has pushed it too far. Government should not have coerced people into thinking that there is retribution or a price to pay if they do not get the shot or if they are in the capacity to enforce it that they must (restaurant owners). In fact it should not have been used in the first place because it was out of scope but as Canadians we agreed at first for the better good. There was no issue when vaccines were offered but the issue arose when government decided that a person who is not vaccinated can pose a threat to someone else which is a false narrative in itself. If one feels the vaccine is of benefit then go get it. The difference in risk of a non-vaccinated person versus a vaccinated person being a threat to someone else is almost zero.