Trucker Convoy

[Jim L]

My apologies, I should have provided more info. The poll I am referring to was published in todays National Post. It is a Maru Research poll that shows 2/3rds of Canadians who responded were in favour of the government enacting the Emergency Measures Act and it was time to clear out the protestors. As an older gentleman with limited tech skills I am unable to master this whole “cut and paste” thing, the white glue keeps gumming up my keyboard. All I can suggest is a really quick Google search of Feb 17 National Post. This poll and the accompanying report appears either at the top or close to it. My point being, the support of this protest may not be as wide spread as some believe.

I looked up the poll and you can find it here. I have never heard of Maru Poll being one of the leaders in polls so I googled using the search "is maru poll legitimate" to which I found some conflicting evidence. But lets not go down there.

Your original comment was:

the latest polling, which by the way indicates that 2/3 of Canadians disapprove of the actions taken by the mob in Ottawa.

The poll title says:

The results of a national survey released today by Maru Public Opinion finds two-thirds (66%) of Canadians support Prime Minister Justin Trudeau bringing in the Emergencies Act to give the federal government extra powers to handle the protests across the country.

Now you can see how the narrative has twisted from 2/3 outright disapproval to 2/3 support for using the Emergencies Act.

 

[loaders]

But Jim, surely if the respondents were in favour of the protest/protestors, they wouldn’t approve of the governments actions to break it up….would they? Could someone be supportive of both the protestors and their methods and at the same time agree with the government decision to implement the Emergencies Act which will resort in the removal and possible jailing of protestors. That would take some sort of serious mental acrobatics. Also, you are aware that Maru Polling was formerly known as Angus Reid until 2018? Kind of a familiar name in Canada. I know sometimes it is convenient and expedient to shoot the messenger, but the National Post seems to think they are a legitimate source of polling data.

 

[Jim L]

But Jim, surely if the respondents were in favour of the protest/protestors, they wouldn’t approve of the governments actions to break it up….would they? Could someone be supportive of both the protestors and their methods and at the same time agree with the government decision to implement the Emergencies Act which will resort in the removal and possible jailing of protestors. That would take some sort of serious mental acrobatics.

BINGO, you just answered your own question. You read one thing, assume another and post it as part of your argument. Then someone reading your post relies on your data and spreads it down the line until it becomes a bad game of telephone.

You are part of the false narrative. Just because a poll suggests that 2/3 agree that the emergency act to handle things is ok, it doesn't mean that 2/3 disagree with the protesters. Apples and Oranges.

After all, lets take a moment to look at polls. They generally ask only 1000 people to come up with their results. If you decide to ask 1000 people at the Yorkdale Mall or 1000 people in the Edmonton mall your survey, depending on the question, is going to be completely different.

And we all know how accurate polls were to tell us the outcome of many different elections. In my opinion, polls should be banned 6 weeks prior to an election. Too many times people decide to change their vote, based on a poll of 1000 people, because they don't want the other guy to get in. If you believed polls, Trump didn't have a chance.

 

[loaders]

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting that there are people who support the protestors in Ottawa, what they stand for and the actions they have taken to date. Fully agree, there are many like that. Now, when these same people are asked, do you agree with the recent government action of implementing the Emergency Measures Act, they say yes? I would like to meet one of these folks. That is more like oranges and tangerines.

 

[MRLAM]

Trudeau and the Libs.. you can say all you want.. they were elected. Maybe next time it will be the Conservatives or the NDP. The vast majority of Canadians don't approve of the protests as they are. Protesting is fine so long as others' rights aren't trampled on.. What about the people who live in downtown Ottawa? What about the many businesses that have been adversely affected by the protest? Collateral damage? I guess these people are less than the truckers, and their rights consequently, are less also. It would be interesting to see what percentage of protestors actually bothered to vote in the last elections...That's how things are changed in a democracy... you inform yourself and then you vote.. or better yet, you step out of your safety zone and run for office. Who will pay for the cleanup in Ottawa after all this is over? That's right.. the taxpayers of Ottawa will..

What about all the people / employees that have repeatedly had their business closed and lost income due to lockdowns? What about all of the missed cancer screenings, delayed surgeries? People dying alone? Are those all collateral damage due to the inefficient and frankly ridiculous way this pandemic has been handled for the last 2 years? People have a right to protest peacefully, and that's what they are doing. I'm not denying that there are not some bad apples in a group of people that large, or that citizens of the city are being inconvenienced. But please, I am so tired of people acting like this protest is the *worst* part of this whole pandemic. The taxpayers of this whole country have been paying for mess after mess for years. I understand the points you are making, but the scale tips both ways.

 

[Jim L]

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting that there are people who support the protestors in Ottawa, what they stand for and the actions they have taken to date. Fully agree, there are many like that. Now, when these same people are asked, do you agree with the recent government action of implementing the Emergency Measures Act, they say yes? I would like to meet one of these folks. That is more like oranges and tangerines.

It was two separate polls with a separate questions and different respondents. You took that one poll and assumed the other applies. That method of coming coming to a conclusion is exactly what @JustinTrudeau has wrongly done and continues to use as his reason for his decisions. Thousands of people are protesting in Ottawa and on the first weekend a very few have inappropriate flags but @JustinTrudeau wants to link the whole group with something completely unrelated. He continued:

Conservative Party members can stand with people who wave swastikas. They can stand with people who wave the Confederate flag," - Justin Trudeau - Feb 16, 2022 - House of Commons.

This was in response to a question raised by MP Melissa Lantsman, This MP is Jewish and represents a riding with a huge Jewish population. @JustinTrudeau knew who he was responding to. Ms. Lantsman and other members of the house requested the speaker for an apology but did not get one.

But hey, don't take my word for it - read it for yourself, the transcript right from the website of the House of Commons is here. The comment was made at 1445.

Debates (Hansard) No. 95 - June 23, 2022 (44-1) - House of Commons of Canada

Debates (Hansard) No. 95 - June 23, 2022 (44-1) - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

@JustinTrudeau does not deserve any respect if he is going to be asked legitimate questions and respond in this manner.

 

[Michael Ludwig]

So let me get this straight. You are suggesting that there are people who support the protestors in Ottawa, what they stand for and the actions they have taken to date. Fully agree, there are many like that. Now, when these same people are asked, do you agree with the recent government action of implementing the Emergency Measures Act, they say yes? I would like to meet one of these folks. That is more like oranges and tangerines.

I don't think it would be a stretch for people to say "I agree with your point, but I don't agree with the way you are making it.".
What is also quite likely is that many people do not fully understand the ramifications of the implementation of the Emergencies Act. It quite literally suspends, if not outright revokes, your rights. The government is saying "we are going to implement the act, but only apply part of it.". I don't think there has ever been a point in history where a government has granted itself unfettered power, and subsequently given it up. It is a slippery slope, and one that bears careful watching.
Take note of my tagline below ...

 

[loaders]

That’s it for me on this topic…..he says right now! No, seriously, the differences of opinion and the interpretation of the facts are at polar opposites and I fear that emotions will prevent some of us from finding any common ground. Hopefully, for the sake of both the officers involved and the protestors, the imminent culmination of their protest will be peaceful and without serious incident. In the days and weeks to come, as more and more of the mandates this group were so worked up about are lifted, I hope the heated rhetoric will subside and our country will return to solving any problems with its governance through the ballot box, not actions on the street. Enjoy Family Day everyone, I know I will. I exercised my freedom of movement and flew down to sunny Mexico at the beginning of the month. Flight home is a week Sat, but man it sure is nice here, so we’ll see.

 

[Michael Ludwig]

That’s it for me on this topic…..he says right now! No, seriously, the differences of opinion and the interpretation of the facts are at polar opposites and I fear that emotions will prevent some of us from finding any common ground. Hopefully, for the sake of both the officers involved and the protestors, the imminent culmination of their protest will be peaceful and without serious incident. In the days and weeks to come, as more and more of the mandates this group were so worked up about are lifted, I hope the heated rhetoric will subside and our country will return to solving any problems with its governance through the ballot box, not actions on the street. Enjoy Family Day everyone, I know I will. I exercised my freedom of movement and flew down to sunny Mexico at the beginning of the month. Flight home is a week Sat, but man it sure is nice here, so we’ll see.

You DICK !!!!!!!
You're in Mexico enjoying hot sunny weather while we're stuck up here with another cold and stormy weekend !!!!
I hope you get a sunburn ... ROFLMFAO

 

[loaders]

Hey, I have to keep my finger on the pulse of the industry don’t ya know! Plus beach time wears a bit thin with me after a couple of hours and I need some shade and some time on the iPad. I know…….it’s sickness, or so my wife says!

 

[tasuinam]

That’s it for me on this topic…..he says right now! No, seriously, the differences of opinion and the interpretation of the facts are at polar opposites and I fear that emotions will prevent some of us from finding any common ground. Hopefully, for the sake of both the officers involved and the protestors, the imminent culmination of their protest will be peaceful and without serious incident. In the days and weeks to come, as more and more of the mandates this group were so worked up about are lifted, I hope the heated rhetoric will subside and our country will return to solving any problems with its governance through the ballot box, not actions on the street. Enjoy Family Day everyone, I know I will. I exercised my freedom of movement and flew down to sunny Mexico at the beginning of the month. Flight home is a week Sat, but man it sure is nice here, so we’ll see.

MEXICO!!!! Winnipeg has so much snow we don;t know where to put it anymore... bring back some sunshine

 

[Igor Galanter]

That is totally disgusting and shameful to use such a force by kicking a peaceful civilian with the machine gun..

What a disgrace...

 

[loaders]

No , a disgrace is placing children in harms way between protestors and the police and flooding 911 call centres with phone emergencies……that sir is a disgrace. Oops, thought I said I was out. Not only that, but what I said was actually reported on the news, so it must be absolutely wrong because it portrays the poor protestors in a bad light. Not like all the real, true stuff to be found on Facebook, Tim Tok and You Tube.

 

[Rob]

No , a disgrace is placing children in harms way between protestors and the police and flooding 911 call centres with phone emergencies……that sir is a disgrace. Oops, thought I said I was out. Not only that, but what I said was actually reported on the news, so it must be absolutely wrong because it portrays the poor protestors in a bad light. Not like all the real, true stuff to be found on Facebook, Tim Tok and You Tube.

True as we all know live video by Joe blow gets edited but that news channels would never edit to only take the narrative they want right? You may want to try some better Tequila in Mexico that shit your drinking is making you post jibbersh BS.

 

[loaders]

Of course. How could anyone believe what those crooked police say. They work for the government, so anything they tell you is just regurgitated government propaganda. And the news agencies that report what the police say, well, something I learned this week from all the posts on the matter, was every news agency receives huge amounts of money from the federal government to only report what the government tells them! Even the news agencies who traditionally are editorially against the government! Go figure! So there you go. Who can you believe? I guess we will just have to place our trust in Facebook, Tik Tok and You Tube because they are definitely not biased, never edited and no one sends them any money to promote a cause.

 

[Igor Galanter]

Of course. How could anyone believe what those crooked police say. They work for the government, so anything they tell you is just regurgitated government propaganda. And the news agencies that report what the police say, well, something I learned this week from all the posts on the matter, was every news agency receives huge amounts of money from the federal government to only report what the government tells them! Even the news agencies who traditionally are editorially against the government! Go figure! So there you go. Who can you believe? I guess we will just have to place our trust in Facebook, Tik Tok and You Tube because they are definitely not biased, never edited and no one sends them any money to promote a cause.

What you are saying, is exactly what no honorable any more does.. Instead of to deal with the problem as General Manager of this beautiful country and communicate with the PEOPLE, he called names and security to deal with the visitors of CAPITAL OF CANADA.
I had my own life experience being a minority in a HUGE country. I know first hand what and how things can be turned out.
And believe you me, if I'm speaking now - this is a moment ...
You, @loaders, a slick person, who will always find a comfort for yourself under any circumstances..
You don't have to explain ANY FURTHER what you think and what you want..
Enjoy it while it lasts...
Mic dropped..

 

[Igor Galanter]

Couldn't say any better myself..

Wake up, people!

 

[artmax]

now we know that if you protest; the beings in power can perceive it as an emergency, they can freeze your funds, and use your tax money to make moves against you. I'm not one for protests, but tell me how is this different from dictatorship? Not a single Canadian news agency covered how the horseback officers horse-kicked the elderly protesting (I don't think the elderly were the ones committing the litany of offenses mentioned). EB-5'ing out of here; freight rates in PA,MI,NY,OH all have been higher for the last 2 decades anyways.

 

[Freight17]

There is a big difference between a protest and an occupation.

If someone is stupid enough to stand in front of a horse...

 

[Freight17]

If the tree huggers ever did the same approach with blockades at the borders and shut down the city you live in to protest against trucks and fossil fuels, I have a feeling that many of the opinions on here would be completely reversed.