Trucker Convoy
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Just sayin' this 'convoy' is bringing out the crazies - NEVER in my life living 30yrs in North America in various cities have I been told 'I was born in Canada and so can read and understand English - unlike you' - just because my name is unusual...
WCB messed up my account and so I was accused of lying because 'that's what you people do' - WCB sorted out...but this is what I am afraid of...even if the far right support is minimal.. it just emboldens people to say whatever and act however.
WCB messed up my account and so I was accused of lying because 'that's what you people do' - WCB sorted out...but this is what I am afraid of...even if the far right support is minimal.. it just emboldens people to say whatever and act however.
Exactly. Nelson Mandela had the workers strike, which caused country wide economic collapse. However their leaders actually had a plan and what they wanted to be changed. What the truck convoy is proposing makes no sense.
'General Strike' - Statement by Nelson Mandela - The O'Malley Archives
The O'Malley Archives is the product of almost two decades of research and includes analyses, chronologies, historical documents, and interviews from the apartheid and post-apartheid eras
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Tom Marazzo proposed that a core group of organizers and their supporters could sit at a table “with the Conservatives, and the NDP, and the Bloc as a coalition.”
Though this suggestion is “a non-starter,” according to Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa. “No other external party can become part of a coalition government. That's just not how a constitutional democracy works,” Kempa said in an interview Tuesday on CTV News Channel.
Though this suggestion is “a non-starter,” according to Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa. “No other external party can become part of a coalition government. That's just not how a constitutional democracy works,” Kempa said in an interview Tuesday on CTV News Channel.
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Pretty sure if I remember that statement right that it was in the context of discussions and negotiating, not the actual formation of a government. But I haven't watched the CTV clip yet, so I don't know what I've been told to think about what I saw yet....
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Personally I don't support anything that has me playing the role of collateral damage. We live in a democracy.. vote.. run for office or protest without trampling on the rights of others. Trudeau, like him or not, is dealing with a pandemic.. the likes of which comes along every century. There was no play book.. initially there were no vaccines or masks even. I'll cut him some slack.. its easy to complain, to protest, and to shout out.. its much MUCH harder to sit in the saddle and do better. Like the right honourable John Crosby once stated when a reporter asked him why he went into politics.. he said he had to... all the people who had the answers were too busy cutting hair and driving cabs. Like a hockey game.. notice how all the experts are sitting in the bleachers while the dummies who know nothing are on the ice.. funny how that is.
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We all have cut @JustinTrudeau slack for two years but the hits just keep coming. Two years after the pandemic started he continued with thumbing people, segregating and coercing them to take the vaccine or else. He went too far and the truckers complained to the point that many other Canadians said that enough is enough. @JustinTrudeau 's continual ramming caused other provinces to suggest that a tax might be initiated or another dose will be mandated. Somehow after his conversation with Biden there was a similar stance given by the US. You just didn't know what was coming next. Don't get me started on the amount of misinformation was given on both sides - we all know or have heard of people who died for unknown reasons shortly after the vaccine but 'oh no-it can't be linked to the vaccine'.
Furthermore, the World Health Organization (WHO), the utmost supreme destination for accurate data, has not approved the vaccines for general use - it is only approved for emergency use.
Health Canada fast tracked the Canadian versions of the vaccines because of an interim order for COVID-19 drug authorization by guess who? Patricia Hajdu who is the minister of Health reporting to @JustinTrudeau. Is it any wonder how these vaccines were approved without going through the rigorous testing required by Food and Drug Regulations ? Did these vaccines really get checked or was the nice pretty book given by the vaccine makers enough to say OK because they had no other options?
So now you see how the many Canadians are fed up with the direction this is going. There is no oversight in this process. @JustinTrudeau gets his minister to make an order to allow vaccines to bypass the regular processes. @JustinTrudeau puts in mandates as per the Quarantine Act to which requiring a vaccine does not meet the requirements of the act. Canadian Human Rights Commission will not hear of anything related to vaccines because somehow it was a policy that was decided and posted. By whom I wonder and find it very suspicious that the exact same wording is used on the CHRC website as the Liberal Party website. Provinces follow suit with requiring proof of vaccination to keep their jobs or to even play pickup hockey. Courts are way too busy to hear any arguments about discrimination or effects of vaccine mandates unless you're the City of Windsor and somehow in 5 days a Superior Court can hear your injunction request. Now we have an emergency order which also is an extreme overstep because a Public Order Emergency requires a threat to Canada under the CSIS Act to which the none of the complaints seem to fall under.
@JustinTrudeau has been given all the slack he needs and now he's hanged himself on all the ropes he has tied around his neck. The opposition parties gave him slack but they need to pull it in. @JustinTrudeau was too liberal in applying whatever law to fit into his mindset.
Before you reply to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about, click on the links I have so painfully added for you. Read them thoroughly and educate yourself - don't just dismiss me as a nay-sayer who writes way too much. These are all reputable websites - Government of Canada and the World Heath Organization. If you can find the wording in any of these acts that do not fit what I wrote then there is a spot for you in the Liberal Party of Canada!
Igor Galanter
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If you will say a word "sugar" a thousand times, it's still won't be any sweetie in your mouth..
Same goes for this so called you know what..starts with V...
Same goes for this so called you know what..starts with V...
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Trudeau and the Libs.. you can say all you want.. they were elected. Maybe next time it will be the Conservatives or the NDP. The vast majority of Canadians don't approve of the protests as they are. Protesting is fine so long as others' rights aren't trampled on.. What about the people who live in downtown Ottawa? What about the many businesses that have been adversely affected by the protest? Collateral damage? I guess these people are less than the truckers, and their rights consequently, are less also. It would be interesting to see what percentage of protestors actually bothered to vote in the last elections...That's how things are changed in a democracy... you inform yourself and then you vote.. or better yet, you step out of your safety zone and run for office. Who will pay for the cleanup in Ottawa after all this is over? That's right.. the taxpayers of Ottawa will..
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When you review the performance and actions taken by our Federal government during this recent pandemic, I am struck by how similar they are to almost every other country in the world, regardless of their form of government. Here in Canada however, it is the provinces that determine how their health dollars are spent which is why we saw significant differences in responses across the country. In addition, here in Ontario, local Public Health Units have a great deal of autonomy on how they can respond to pandemic challenges on a more regional level. To suggest that there was some sort of “secret hand“ directing all of these actions is a bit far fetched in my opinion. All levels of government here in Canada, just like those all around the world, formed their responses and based their actions on the best possible data, presented by the most knowledgeable researchers that was currently available. The updated figures for worldwide vaccinations, are 10.5 billion doses administered with 4.28 billion people having received 2 doses. Almost 55% of the global population has been fully vaccinated. You have to wonder if that has anything to do with the reduced numbers of infections we are experiencing here at home and worldwide.
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Loaders we get it you are a blind faith follower of the media and have bought iot all hook line and sinker.
Can you answer a couple questions
1 In Ottawa for the last 3 weeks there have been thousands (I seen the videos and not on CBC) of folks having a great old time arm in arm dancing singing and looking like they where having the time of their lives. Most as I am sure you have been barraged with from the Media are the yep the UN Vaxxed baby killers. Why are they not dropping like flies? Surely this killer is not choosing not to be there as these folks are the dregs of society and holding all the 90 year old bingo grannies from not being able to threaten to chop the poor callers balls off if he does not call I34 next from going to the bingo hall. For shame
2 You say the best possible data is that like the models that up until Omi (whatever the hell they call it) the models would of had us think we would be stacked up like cord wood dying in the streets when is that happening?
3 We have all been inundated with the rhetoric from our governments to stay home blah blah blah but JT has been surfing, the cottage same as Dougie etc is it only okay for elite to go out?
This in not a question but to the folks that are still terrified of the big bad vid. You can still choose to stay home no one will force you to go out and have a life be social etc. You see we do not care live and let live. I know you can start calling me all kinds of nasty names now as I am having a hard time believing the sales pitch the government and media is trying to sell. And before anyone want to even think of jumping down my throat I have 2 shots probably not going to get the third as I had the vid at Christmas.
As you can see here and this one is broken down a little different most deaths are the 60 and over crowd and pre exsisting conditions. The rhetoric and the numbers do not call for what has happened. It is a shame folks died but how many have or will die of it in a completely different way and by that i mean not being able to get the help they need because Canada's joke of a health care system is almost as bad as the judicial.
AGE | Number of Deaths | Share of deaths | With underlying conditions | Without underlying conditions | Unknown if with underlying cond. | Share of deaths of unknown + w/o cond. |
0 - 17 years old | 9 | 0.06% | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0.02% |
18 - 44 years old | 601 | 3.9% | 476 | 17 | 108 | 0.8% |
45 - 64 years old | 3,413 | 22.4% | 2,851 | 72 | 490 | 3.7% |
65 - 74 years old | 3,788 | 24.9% | 2,801 | 5 | 982 | 6.5% |
75+ years old | 7,419 | 48.7% | 5,236 | 2 | 2,181 | 14.3% |
TOTAL | 15,230 | 100% | 11,370 (75%) | 99 (0.7%) | 1,551 (24.7%) | 25.3% |
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Yes, they were elected, but is their election a fair representation of the will of Canadians?
The author is no one of any importance, however, what the author presents is a reasonable and riveting oration worth consideration.
It is incumbent upon all Canadians to exercise their right to vote. The problem is that the election is decided at the Ontario/Manitoba border. The prairie provinces and BC really don't have much say in who governs the country.
Didn't this protest start in the west? Their votes do not make a difference. They are not represented in government. What else are they supposed to do?
Maybe Orange, Blue, or Green would have handled the pandemic differently. Maybe not. We'll never know.
One could make a case that with such an overwhelming public concern affecting the lives of every single Canadian, a committee encompassing all the elected parties, representing the overwhelming majority of Canadian voters, should have made policy as opposed to the current situation where we endure the part time drama teacher acting the role of quasi dictator pretending he knows what's best for Canadians.
Democracy ended when becoming a politician became a career instead of a calling.
As for Ottawa's clean up ... a state of emergency was declared. We're all going to pay for it.
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Whoa….hold on a minute. Wasn’t this protest originally about vaccine mandates for cross border truckers? Simple and easy to understand right? And then it went on to include all vaccine mandates, the majority of which are under Provincial jurisdiction, not Federal? A little more confusing, but I sort of get it. And then it somehow morphed into a movement to overthrow, or at least force the resignation of the democratically elected government if it didn’t submit to their demands? Perhaps if this gang of protestors had been able to keep their message straight, moderate and unified from the beginning, they would have more support that that showed in the latest polling, which by the way indicates that 2/3 of Canadians disapprove of the actions taken by the mob in Ottawa. Oh, you don’t have to tell me, that poll appeared in the mainstream media. Funny thing though, it was in the National Post for goodness sakes, the anti Liberal, anti Trudeau standard bearer of all things conservative. Look I have said it before and I will repeat it til the cows come home, I have never voted Liberal in my life. However, I have to tell you guys, some of your are letting your impassioned, undeniable and damn near palpable hatred of JT cloud your better judgement.
According to IPSOS poll on February 8-9, 2022 you're incorrect:
It says:
If you want to take 54% and take that to mean 2/3 of Canadians disapprove then that is part of the problem.
I guess we all get our data somewhere. This is right off the IPSOS website - not something I remembered from some media report sometime. Once again, I have provided the link for you to read for yourself.
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Remember when ...
You used to buy a newspaper, or watch a newscast, and the reporters would give you all the facts ... the good, bad, and ugly ... an unbiased review of the event(s)?
Now you have to buy one newspaper to get one point of view, and buy a different newspaper for another point of view, and so on. Toss in Facebook, Twitter, and Tik Tok, and it's no wonder the general public hasn't a clue about what is right, wrong, or indifferent.
I do not envy my grandchildren
Hatred of JT? Naw, I personally just don't think he's qualified for the job. Ergo, I voted differently.
You used to buy a newspaper, or watch a newscast, and the reporters would give you all the facts ... the good, bad, and ugly ... an unbiased review of the event(s)?
Now you have to buy one newspaper to get one point of view, and buy a different newspaper for another point of view, and so on. Toss in Facebook, Twitter, and Tik Tok, and it's no wonder the general public hasn't a clue about what is right, wrong, or indifferent.
I do not envy my grandchildren
Hatred of JT? Naw, I personally just don't think he's qualified for the job. Ergo, I voted differently.
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I concur as I hate no one. Think we can do a whole lot better for a leader hence I voted differently as well.
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My apologies, I should have provided more info. The poll I am referring to was published in todays National Post. It is a Maru Research poll that shows 2/3rds of Canadians who responded were in favour of the government enacting the Emergency Measures Act and it was time to clear out the protestors. As an older gentleman with limited tech skills I am unable to master this whole “cut and paste” thing, the white glue keeps gumming up my keyboard. All I can suggest is a really quick Google search of Feb 17 National Post. This poll and the accompanying report appears either at the top or close to it. My point being, the support of this protest may not be as wide spread as some believe.
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You don't mean this one by Rex Murphy do you?
Nope ... it was this one ...
nationalpost.com
Where it points out that 54% of Canadians polled were ashamed of how the government handled the protester situation. Bear in mind it was an online poll conducted over 2 days and incorporated the opinions of 1,518 Canadians, or 0.00397% of the entire Canadian population, of which 820 Canadians, or 0.002146% of the entire Canadian population, dissented. So, make of that what you will.
Nope ... it was this one ...
Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll
But at the same time, 54 per cent of Canadians say they are 'ashamed' of how politicians have let the Freedom Convoy protests get out of hand
nationalpost.com
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And here's a WTF moment ... LOL
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Exactly, one is strictly and admittedly an opinion piece, the other a poll performed using standardized polling methods and procedures. Make of it what you will is right!You don't mean this one by Rex Murphy do you?
Nope ... it was this one ...
Where it points out that 54% of Canadians polled were ashamed of how the government handled the protester situation. Bear in mind it was an online poll conducted over 2 days and incorporated the opinions of 1,518 Canadians, or 0.00397% of the entire Canadian population, of which 820 Canadians, or 0.002146% of the entire Canadian population, dissented. So, make of that what you will.Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll
But at the same time, 54 per cent of Canadians say they are 'ashamed' of how politicians have let the Freedom Convoy protests get out of hand