when you book an uber, and for whatever reason Uber doesn't pay the driver, would you expect the uber driver to bill you for the trip? Not being snarky, best analogy I could think of if that makes sense.
Scotlynn Commodities
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As for whether or not Scotlynn pays their owner-operators, or even how, or why, is none of your business, or mine. Common courtesy suggests we should all keep our noses out of it.
As for your question, no they would not be able to bill the shipper or receiver directly. That would have been explicitly addressed in the owner-operator contracts.
As for the "double brokering" comments, I'm pretty sure, but not 100% certain, from what you have posted so far, that you are throwing far too wide of a loop around the term "double broker".
My understanding of the term is simply this;
1) If a load broker has a load available, and another load broker books that load, and then gives that load to a carrier, that is considered double brokering.
2) If a load broker has a load, and gives it to a carrier, and that carrier gives it to another carrier, that is either interlining, or double brokering, depending on the status of the relationship between the two carriers.
3) If a carrier has a load, and gives that load to a load broker, and that load broker gives it to a carrier, that is not double brokering.
4) If a load broker has a load and gives it to a carrier, and that carrier gives it to his owner-operator, that is not double brokering.
Definitions:
An owner-operator supplies some, or all, of his own equipment, and operates under a carrier's authorities.
A carrier operates under their own authorities.
An individual that operates under his own authorities, even though he may, or may not, haul exclusively for one carrier, even though he may, or may not, have the name of the carrier he hauls exclusively for, on his doors, is himself a carrier, not an owner-operator.
Personal Perspective:
I really don't care where a load broker, or carrier, gets the freight from that they are offering to me, as long as they meet these 3 conditions;
1) I get paid my rate, on time.
2) I get paid my rate, on time.
3) I get paid my rate, on time.
As far as I am concerned, far too much has been made of the "double broker" subject. No single one of us can be everywhere, every time we need need freight from somewhere. People call people who know people who know people when they are in a jam. That's just how this industry works.
The part about "double brokering" that pisses people off is that that middle guy made his cut for simply having industry connections, maybe an escrow account, and making 2 phone calls. The carrier that eventually takes the freight feels they have left money on the table, and they get pouty about it.
Here's my take ... if that pisses you off, then you get your ass out there, and start knocking on doors to find your own freight and connections. Or, stay the hell out of places where you have no freight, and no connections.
Where "double brokering" goes off the rails is when criminals get involved, and that is a whole other kettle of fish.
Remember, just because someone calls themselves a "broker" doesn't mean they are honest, and just because someone calls themselves a carrier doesn't mean they are honest either. Do your own due diligence. Know who you are working for, and govern yourself accordingly. If you choose to take the risk, then that risk is yours, and yours alone.
Lastly, just stop whining about perceived "double brokers". Everyone does it. Everyone. Some more than others. Some very rarely. Save for the very, very, young brokers and carriers who haven't had the opportunity yet, no one on this forum can say they have never done it.
Yep, remember, we never hear about the double-broker who paid the invoice on time. Only the ones who didn't.
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Double brokering happens everyday, in most cases without incident. When it occurs without the original broker or carrier being informed, it can be the start of problems. Full disclosure and honesty is always the best course of action. When double brokering is done “on the sly”, it creates unnecessary delays in communication, a general lack of control, and occasionally a delay in payment. Of course a deterioration of customer service is also a distinct possibility when a party outside of the original contract is involved.
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