would you do this or is it an interstate?

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martinetav

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Okay, so, we have a customer that just approached us with a load. There is a pick up in the Montreal region and then another in Champlain, NY finalizing in TX. Would this be considered an interstate? or does the pick-up in Montreal make this good for a Canadian company, with a Canadian driver okay for us to do?
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
Same here. We come across these a lot but we cannot accept them. Yes, this is considered interstate.
 
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If the shipment in NY originated in QC, was not altered or reworked but was simply stored on site in NY and both shipments are destined to the same delivery location in TX, is it still interstating?

Keep well,
Mike
 
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Good question Mike but I'm pretty sure a State Trooper in TN/TX/Anywhere won't know the answer and charge you anyways.
 
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I actually believe it may be OK but everyone is so scared of the hefty penalty for cabotage that nobody wants to get caught with it. It would be one thing if the shipments were paying a fortune but my guess is that they are not ....
 
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The chances of getting caught are slim and none. If you are to do it just have the driver keep the New York bills hidden and only show them to the receiver. Manipulate or draw up a bill showing the whole load coming out of Canada in case you do get stopped and asked to see the bills.

Twenty years on the road and stopped once by immigration in Texas way back 25 years ago. To my knowledge we as a company have never been stopped and asked.

While I find no need to do it. I do know carriers that do it all the time and have for years.
 
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I agree with Rob. The risk is very small that you would get a US Immigration audit, it's just that the penalties are pretty big if it happens. So if you see something where you may be more profitable by moving something like this rather than not, it's something to consider. But for an extra pick fee only? I'm PROBABLY pass.
 
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We should ask that Canadian Immigration be as severe as in the US drivers. Part of the problem with the lack of freight and the low rates comes from the fact that American companies are more and more present and they use US equipment to move freight in Canada from province to province.
 
Chances of getting caught are slim to none, but if you do get caught the penalties are severe and out of all proportion. I know one owner-op who got caught. They seized his truck and load and he is barred from entering the US for life. I wouldn't risk it.. especially now in this protectionist environment.
 
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martinetav said:
We should ask that Canadian Immigration be as severe as in the US drivers. Part of the problem with the lack of freight and the low rates comes from the fact that American companies are more and more present and they use US equipment to move freight in Canada from province to province.
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you can thank Ottawa for that one, it was our government that let US carriers get one free move up here but i'm sure USA had the bargaining power when this was done
 
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The plan sounds great. If it were just one lonely owner-operator running his/her own show, they might do it. But that is sort of nasty work to subject your driver to any risk like that. You know Murphy's Law. If that poor driver ever got caught he/she would be having a hassle any time they cross the border for the next 10 years when they go and buy their milk and eggs. All other points aside, it would likely work though and it would be easy to create a bol for roadside inspection. :)
 
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And one other point...lol. We harp about driver's altering log books, etc so they can make their day more profitable. So really this would be to say that the driver has to follow the law, but the company owner doesn't? Why not set the example and just do the right thing? We can't hold our drivers to a standard that we ourselves are not willing to uphold.
 
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I'm still not sure if it is even illegal. The fact that the run starts from Montreal may mean that it's OK. My point is that if there is anything subject to interpretation, it better be worth it.
 
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