Transport Pierre Larouche (double/triple brokering)

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I booked a load with this company last week. I was suspicious the load may be double-brokered minutes after speaking with their dispatcher "Brian Krackovitch" and decided to cancel. 30 Minutes later on my way home, I get a unusual phone call on my cellphone from Stephane at S.C. Transport reassuring me the load is not double-brokered. Stephane happens to be from a company in Montreal's south shore that I have known for little over a year, never had any issues until now

(I ended up hauling the load)

When I got the paperwork(POD's) I called the carrier/broker identified on the shippers paperwork and found out the load in was in fact triple-brokered. From a US load broker to S.C. Transport to Transport Pierre Larouche until I ended up with the load on my flatbed. I was furious and wasn't sure if I should share this information everyone but I noticed Transport Pierre Larouche posting other freight on loadlink that clearly (without a doubt/sans aucun doute) looked as thou it was being double-brokered. I started to think, there must be others.

I became suspicious of Transport Pierre Larouche and their dispatcher Brian very early on. Everyone should be made aware about the questionable business practices of these parties involved. I never heard of Transport Pierre Larouche until around a week ago when I first started seeing loads pop-up from them on loadlink.

I should also mention, that after speaking with the US load broker and reporting this issue/complaint to them, I got a phone call from Stephane at SC Transport offering to pay me the funds right away. I was not amused and reminded him that I never wanted to deal with him or his companies again and that hiring Montreal anglos to do his dirty work was not the way to do business.

This problem was solved with the primary broker directly but everyone should be extra cautious. We have enough stress do deal with, who needs this ****!

(also learned from US broker that they were paying 3800USD and I agreed to do the load for 3800CDN)
 
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Re 6-15-2010 transport pierre larouche

After reading this article, something did not seem right.

The trucker is saying that he did the load and then went
to the trouble to call to find out who actually controlled
the move.

Not sure why he did that since pay was not an issue.

I cannot seem to find any negative issues for either Larouche
or S.C. Transport who is also mentioned in this article.

The only conclusion I have come to is that this guy wants
to try and get business direct the next time and is back soliciting the company that gave them the freight to begin
with. What a low-life.

This should be a lesson to all not to accept what anyone
says about seemingly legitimate companies but read deeper and even call yourselves to verify the "facts" to avoid on-going negative attitude about undeserving carriers or brokers.

Bud
 
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I have known Montreal Trucker for quite some time, his posts are legitimate and I have no reason to doubt him.

My two cents
 
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Let's point out the facts.

1. Load was cancelled in the beginning 5 minutes after I noticed the same load appeared on alternative load board by as US broker at the same time with the exact same destination.

2. I called their brokerage and told them in no way we will haul that load.

3. Received a phone call from SC on behalf of Larouche telling me the load was his load and is not being double-brokered.

4. I went ahead and did the load after being re-assured by someone familiar that I have had a business relation with for over a year.

5. A few days later ,1 full day after the bill went out, I noticed a trend where many loads on loadlink posted by Larouche were also appearing on alternative board.

6. I decided have a look at the paperwork and my suspicion was confirmed, the name of a NJ/PA based load broker/carrier appeared on the primary bill of lading. A few phone calls confirmed what I had suspected all along.

7. I was offered payment in full immediately.

8. I made a statement that cannot be repeated and ended any future business.

9. Made arrangments to be paid by US load broker.

If there is any information here that is not factual, I will remove it. I have all the documentation required to back this information up. However, as people we do make mistakes sometimes and it is always important to keep an open mind.

As for 3 brokers keeping what appears to be no commision on the load I hauled, I'll pass next time! It certainly raised more then a few eyebrows in this office.






BUD said:
After reading this article, something did not seem right.

The trucker is saying that he did the load and then went
to the trouble to call to find out who actually controlled
the move

not sure why he did that since pay was not an issue

i cannot seem to find any negative issues for either larouche
or sc transport who is also mentioned in this article

the only conclusion i have come to is that this guy wants
to try and get business direct the next time and is back soliciting the company that gave them the freight to begin
with- what a low-life.

This should be a lesson to all not to accept what anyone
says about seemingly legitimate companies but read deeper and even call yourselves to verify the "facts" to avoid on-going negative attitude about un-deserving carriers or brokers

bud
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I am speachless

As I said, I stand by what I said. The paperwork clearly indentified another party. I have been a dispatcher since 1999 and I have come across a lot of things both sides of the border. I actually hope I am wrong here but you appear to want to take this one step further taking sides on this sensitive issue. For almost a week, my original posting remained silent.
 
MontrealTrucker said:
"As I said, I stand by what I said." Hey Jaime, does this include everything you write in CANADIAN TRUCKING WATCHDOG"??? Myself, I have read the things you say, and I do question your creditbility. Your company, TRANSPORT INTER FM has A HISTORY OF BACK SOLICITATION..I HAVE PROOF..you have no respect for any other business, but your own. This is a perfect example.
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More clarification

By the way, I do not solicit freight from shippers that give freight to brokers. I solicit freight brokers that give loads to Canadian brokers that in turn double broker their freight. We've seen our share of scams lately in this business. Did you expect that truckers would keep hauling your double brokered freight forever? I think not. Inside Transport is the best thing that happened for truckers and brokers. We finally have a chance to denounce the corruption and scams that can put us under very quickly.

It is quite normal that the corrupted individuals do not like some of the comments on here but as we all know and are starting to learn more, perhaps you and your little gang were part of the problem.

By the way. I did contribute some of the content on the above mentioned blog but only to denounce scams for fellow truckers to be aware of. It was a group effort that brought together honest truckers coast to coast.

Inside Transport has served it purpose once again and maybe a few less companies out there will not fall into this double/triple brokering and scams that are still operational according to some the the content on the site. It is normal for some companies to experience financial difficulties from time to time but lets seperate that from what is obvious corruption from "some" brokers that clearly feel entitled to operate this way.

Getting back onto the subject of this posting. I am still waiting for an answer. Perhaps I was wrong, I am sure you'd like me to be wrong. As I said, I have all the documentation to back this up. I don't want this to get nasty, I just want to expose what's going on out there.

I promise that if anything I said was was incorrect I will make a statement and apology and remove any content associated with it.

I hope I have support from the some of the folks here that read this and benefit from the content on this site.
 
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It's funny that you are sitting there with the proof but no one calls? Montreal Trucker I have no problems with anything you post on this site, as with any good business person I'm sure you can back it up and that is good enough for me.
 
MontrealTrucker said:
I hope I have support from the some of the folks here that read this and benefit from the content on this site.
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Montreal Trucker,

Your past posts, comments and contributions far surpass many other members on this site. You have the support of many on this board including myself.

Not to go off the original thread's topic here...but what I find interesting is those who join with nothing positive to contribute to this forum. They join simply as "non contributing" defenders of their poor business practices. You certainly have nothing to "defend" in this forum - your posts speak for themselves in a clear, concise and professional manner.
 
Montreal Trucker there are many US freight brokers that have co-brokering agreements with CDN freight brokers. They do not use load link or have relationships with CDN carriers. I worked for a broker who had a strong relationship with a US broker and had a co-brokering agreement. There was nothing malicious about it.
Some US brokers handle full logistics for some shippers and may be their freight audit company. Do you think you have the right to solicit this account? The business the CDN broker is giving you is probably not just the co-brokered business.
 
cdaustransporter said:
Montreal Trucker there are many US freight brokers that have co-brokering agreements with CDN freight brokers. They do not use load link or have relationships with CDN carriers. I worked for a broker who had a strong relationship with a US broker and had a co-brokering agreement. There was nothing malicious about it.
Some US brokers handle full logistics for some shippers and may be their freight audit company. Do you think you have the right to solicit this account? The business the CDN broker is giving you is probably not just the co-brokered business.
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Thankfully, There are exceptions as you clearly pointed out. Some of this may fall into that category. I have no problem with any broker that brokers a load from another broker as long as they are aware of it and approve of it and that the broker has a bond we can file on. However, a lot of the co-brokering we are witnessing clearly does not fall into that category. A carrier should never be put in a position where it has to compete with a 3PL/"Co-broker" for freight that is available for everyone to haul or posted on alternative load board.

But let's not get overwhelmed with these exceptions, the vast majority of what's going on out there does not fall into that category and to make things worse, double-brokering has been an easy away for many well-informed "entrepreneurs" out there come up with a clever idea to come up with scams to re-broker, get paid COD by the US broker and run away with the funds. Now how is a poor carrier suppose to know about these things and how is he/she suppose to differentiate the type of re-brokering going on unless these issues get discussed on this board.

Thank You for the support, it's nice to hear from everyone on this issue no matter what side of this issue you are on. Anyone that denounces someone elses greedy habits is bound to run into some kind of objection.
 
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I agree that there is double brokering going on that should not be. How do you know if this is the case and take it upon yourself to call the other broker.
 
In support

I for one support what you have done.

Many of us have been in the business for over 15 years as well.

Again when we become suspicious of a shipment we look into it. We as well had a load that we carried out for a freight broker that turned out to be double brokered, and it was thanks to this site that we caught it. The freight broker was listed as a double broker.

We communicated with the original broker whose name as all over the documentation and aranged payment through them.

This caused a problem wih the original broker because he had no previous business dealings with the double broker and did not know who to trust.

The problem for us carriers is that we get stuck with lots of immediatre expense that relate to the moneys lost. As abroker you simply lose your mark -up.

I presently have a $3000.00 load I am working on where the load was triple brokered by the time we had carried out the work. Thankfully we managed to get a hold of the client paying the freight bill and advised them that we were not paid and the bill was 90 days old. That client had not paid the original broker yet, and chsoe to pay them anyway. Again we have various e-mails documenting this and will take this to court in the USA.
 
To those companies growing their business by double/tripple brokering freight from US load brokers.

Unless you are living under a rock it is clear that this practice, irregardless of what you think, is not acceptable to truckers. I believe one of the biggest concerns truckers have with double brokering is the increased risk of ensuring timely payments and/or payment period. I do see value in your contact list, so rather than walk away from potential profit why don't you refer the carrier to the original party in exchange for a commission. I have to believe most carriers would not have a problem with this as long as the rate warranted it. The carrier can then pay you once they receive payment from the original party.

I read an earlier post that as a carrier we are out of pocket prior to billing and stand to lose considerably if not paid, but as a broker you simply lose your commission. This is very true and contributes significantly to the current attitude of many carriers that have been taken to the cleaners by what appeared to be reputable brokers.
 
Flatbed/Rolltite team load on alternative load board (IT)

For those of you that have the time, have a look at a NEWBERG, OR load to PETERBOROUGH, ON posted by Smokey Point Distribution. It's the exact same load as Portland to Cobourg posted on loadlink by yes, "mr. Krakovitch". This is almost the exact same thing that got me suspicious last week. This happens to be one of several loads posted but it's the most obvious one I have come across in my free time this lunch break.
 
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I am in no way attempting to suggest there is not an issue with scams of double brokering.

To say that a broker is only out the mark up is incorrect as well. Good 3rd party logistics firms pay within 30-45 days and would be hit with the bad debt after paying the carrier. If the carriers have done their due diligence with credit checks and documents of freight broker as well as have a good relationship you can be confident they are not going to purposely screw a carrier over. How many carriers over the last few years took a shipment from a broker without clearing them first. On the flip side a broker may want to be concerned with an unknown carrier who takes a shipment without asking for MC and credit app.
We read on this forum about carriers that have owed other carriers and are in arrears. I ask how many of those carriers advise the customer their freight is brokered with a "partner". Isn't that a form of double brokering. Does that mean that the delivering carrier should call the customer and say deal with me directly?
 
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Pierre larouche- on going mis information

The latest posting by this scoundrel (trans inter fm - jamie- I'm glad that someone had the decency to disclose who he is) about Pierre Larouche, proves once again that he is just looking to cause problems for reputable companies.

like I said in the past - do not believe what this jerk has to say without checking it out.

I did - and called Smokey Point and spoke with Lisa
and guess what - she said that she uses Pierre Larouche
on a regular basis and for those lanes that they may not have their own trucks available Larouche uses others to help her move her loads and she is okay with this because
they follow through and get the job done.

She also said that Pierre Larouche has used their own
drivers from Quebec to areas that she required.

So if you want to keep on believing this blood-sucker go right ahead, like sheep to the slaughter house.

Bud
 
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BUD said:
The latest posting by this scoundrel (trans inter fm-jamie- im glad that someone had the decency to disclose who he is) about pierre larouche, proves once again that he is just looking to cause problems for reputable companies

like i said in the past- do not believe what this jerk has to say without checking it out

i did and called smokey point and spoke with lisa
and guess what- she says that she uses pierre larouche
on a regular basis and for those lanes that they may not have their own trucks available larouche uses others to help her move her loads and she is okay with this because
they follow through and get the job done.

She also said that pierre larouche has used their own
drivers from quebec to areas that she required

so if you want to keep on believing this blood-sucker
go right ahead, like sheep to the slaughter house

bud
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I called Lisa up also and this was confirmed to me by also. I also found out that Brian is the same Brian that worked for Rockman. Lisa is truly a well informed person.

Watch your language on here I clearly have more support then you and this was just 1 example amongst others. People will be closely monitering the activities of all the companies involved here. It's too bad it happened so early on for you I guess.

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