tips on screening carriers on Link Logistics

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If you want to save some grief for the future and you use Link, you can use these little rules I use when I decide if I want to use a company calling for freight.

For the most part, I have decided to block or avoid using any company that:

(a) has a numbered company only

(b) has a wacky or really stupid name, or overly exotic - trust me on this, they don't have what it takes when you dig down to check. If I can't pronounce it or I'm going to sound stupid saying that "Kow Transport" is coming, I'm now giving the freight to you. Hate to say it, I have yet to see any company with a strange name actually be any good or even pass the initial screening before I even talk about the freight with them.

(c) calls up and claims they are in whatever city the freight is in, but you did not match with them at all

(d) ANY company that comes back with a CONDITIONAL CVOR safety rating - there is an uncanny correlation between crappy service and service failures with the CVOR rating by using the FREE SERVICES part of :

https://www.cvor.rus.mto.gov.on.ca/scripts/Products.asp

If the company name they offer does not come up (and they won't) then ask for the CVOR # (and some will only want to give you the MC # - insist on the CVOR # and you can find it under the "authorities" tab of any carrier in the Link member list.

(e) ANY company with a CONDITIONAL USDOT rating (www.safersys.org)

(f) and if they pass all those checks BUT...the authorities all show multiple addresses all over the place - it's a BIG RED FLAG!

(g) says they are located in the Toronto area (for example) but wants you to contact the dispatcher at a 519 # (Turbo Logistics did this)

(h) Ask the dispatcher how many trucks they have - if they tell you any number that sounds outlandish and you've never heard of them, forget it...go on www.safersys.org while they're on the line, punch in the company name or MC # and if anything other than what they say comes up, you can be sure they will misrepresent other stuff about where trucks are, etc.

(i) finally - if you still have a gut feeling that the company you want to give freight to is not legitimate - TRUST YOUR GUT!!!


Another thing I can offer as far as tips as to whether or not you are going to either have a problem with paying a carrier is where in the conversation the topic of rate comes up.

I always find that our new Canadian friends will always call and inquire about a "load" (even if it's LTL, they call it a load for some reason) in this order and then use these tactics:

1. "Hello how are you"
2. "You have a load from (insert name) to (insert name)"
3. "How much does it pay?"

They generally don't care what it is or if it needs special credentials. If you really want to weed out the losers, ask for only carriers that have what real carriers will have and itinerant carriers will have trouble getting, like a driver with a FAST card, C-TPAT and so on. It's not discriminatory to expect a carrier to have proper credentials and, quite frankly, you're screening out the shit. I find that most carriers lie about how many trucks they have and if they lie about that (you can check on the USDOT) then guaranteed they will lie about where your freight is when you check.

The next tactic they will use is automatically say, even when you have offered a good rate, "Oh, that's not enough." It is a tactic. Say no. Do not negotiate because the next number you will hear will be stupid. I find if the same carrier that does that the first time and keeps calling back repeatedly tells me they want the freight - and I tell them I will drop the rate by $50 each time they call back asking about it. It's funny how that stops the b.s..

If rate comes up in the first few sentences of a call about your freight, the odds are good that they're not interested in anything else you have to say and you'll have a service failure probably. Most of those guys tend to factor their invoices, too. They want a higher rate because they lose on the factor.
 
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Yeah, let these guys go move loads for Traffic Tech and CH Robinson!

(However, the comment about "new Canadians" really has nothing to do with poor business practises, remember, you are representing your company on here, no need to be racist)

This is not a racist, you're not a very smart man it seems. Read it twice maybe you'll get it then! Brampton is all over this site and most of us here are tired of it also but these are the facts, they were not created for your entertainment.
 
Nothing racist about it. It's not a coincidence that a lot of new Canadians live in Brampton and also decide to start trucking companies from their apartments but also are the same groups of individuals who routinely have another "company" sitting in a desk drawer at the ready if people stop giving one of their companies freight, or they get caught double-brokering and generally only care about making money with as little effort as possible. Ask anyone and I'm sure you'll agree there is a higher than average proportion of transportation companies in Brampton as compared to the rest of Ontario on the Ontario Ministry of Transportation's "List of Unsatisfactory/Cancelled Carriers." It would be racist if someone specifically said someone is superior to another person. The post does not say that. It points out that the business practices of new entrants to the business, whether because they haven't culturally acclimatized themselves to how transportation transactions operate, or because they are rogue companies that only care about money and don't worry about the consequences because they can start another corporation on paper tomorrow, are severely lacking and it has developed into a predictable pattern of behaviour that I am letting others know about.
 
I have had a least 2 companies in the last month, upon rejecting them because they had a crappy USDOT and MTO safety rating, offer me another company immediately and at least one of them acknowledged that he knew he had a conditional USDOT rating, which made it necessary to have another company that had a better record.

In this case, if someone offers you another company right away: DO NOT GIVE THEM FREIGHT! It's a paperchase after that.

The other tell-tale indicator is the age of the company and number of trucks. Take my advice: if you have an account that you like to keep and you don't want to look like an idiot when you call to explain why someone missed a pickup, etc then do yourself (and your customer!!) a favour by not giving freight to companies with low numbers of trucks. If USDOT shows they have 1-5 trucks in their profile, ask yourself if you really want to risk having a service failure if one of those precious trucks "breaks down"?

That brings me to the next topic: service failure excuses from companies you give freight to, giving back freight in other words. The most frequent ones I have been handed and I know categorically are mostly horseshit are the following, to which I offer a challenge to check if it's true. For the most part, the reason why people are offering these excuses is because they were still fishing for better paying freight:

EXCUSE QUESTION(S) TO ASK CARRIER
My outbound isn't going. How come? When will you know? When are you going?

Driver broke down. When will he be fixed? So when he's fixed, what time
will you be at the shipper. Where is he?

Driver was reloaded with This is a variation of "my outbound isn't going." Most
freight back to Canada. carriers know ahead of time if they're going to be
reloaded at their consignees with return freight.

Freight was rejected by Ask them why it was rejected. Nobody can just come
consignee, has to go back to back to Canada just like that once they have cleared
Canada. US Customs generally. It's usually b.s.


There are others but those are the main ones. Most unprofessional carriers will hand you a crappy excuse and expect you to accept it. The problem is that while we are all trying to meet our customers expectations, our customers deserve better. Make sure they get better.
 
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I have had a least 2 companies in the last month, upon rejecting them because they had a crappy USDOT and MTO safety rating, offer me another company immediately and at least one of them acknowledged that he knew he had a conditional USDOT rating, which made it necessary to have another company that had a better record.

In this case, if someone offers you another company right away: DO NOT GIVE THEM FREIGHT! It's a paperchase after that.

The other tell-tale indicator is the age of the company and number of trucks. Take my advice: if you have an account that you like to keep and you don't want to look like an idiot when you call to explain why someone missed a pickup, etc then do yourself (and your customer!!) a favour by not giving freight to companies with low numbers of trucks. If USDOT shows they have 1-5 trucks in their profile, ask yourself if you really want to risk having a service failure if one of those precious trucks "breaks down"?

That brings me to the next topic: service failure excuses from companies you give freight to, giving back freight in other words. The most frequent ones I have been handed and I know categorically are mostly horseshit are the following, to which I offer a challenge to check if it's true. For the most part, the reason why people are offering these excuses is because they were still fishing for better paying freight:

EXCUSE QUESTION(S) TO ASK CARRIER
My outbound isn't going. How come? When will you know? When are you going?

Driver broke down. When will he be fixed? So when he's fixed, what time
will you be at the shipper. Where is he?

Driver was reloaded with This is a variation of "my outbound isn't going." Most
freight back to Canada. carriers know ahead of time if they're going to be
reloaded at their consignees with return freight.

Freight was rejected by Ask them why it was rejected. Nobody can just come
consignee, has to go back to back to Canada just like that once they have cleared
Canada. US Customs generally. It's usually b.s.


There are others but those are the main ones. Most unprofessional carriers will hand you a crappy excuse and expect you to accept it. The problem is that while we are all trying to meet our customers expectations, our customers deserve better. Make sure they get better.

As the owner & due to economy & gouging frieght brokers, only driver, I disagree with most of your comments when it comes to dealing with the small guy. For starters I'd sooner depend on the guy with less than 5 trucks( such as our company before this recession now it's me ) as he is more customer oriented & dependable ( at least ALL MY EXPERIENCES prove this ) I find most of the carriers & brokers who started in the last two years have absolutetly no idea of cost to run trucks, it shows in the rates that I'm quoted on every load LESS THAN FUEL.The good customers that appreciate good service at a fair price keep calling but lately it seems even the good customers are disappearing. If it don't pay leave it there.
 
I don't doubt that the small companies don't have a heart and want to service the customer but operationally, if you have a guy who wants to give you freight for a customer that gives millions of dollars of freight every year, some customers are unforgiving if you miss one pickup because a truck broke down. In a small fleet, one truck of 5 is 20% of your fleet failing to perform versus 1 truck in a larger fleet. Don't get me wrong and I'm sure you do your best but I am pointing out to others based on my experience that if you get the little guy who has no backup plan if that one truck is not in position to get freight, it looks bad for everyone. I agree with you that there ARE carriers and brokers who expect you to do freight for the cost of fuel, if that (most brokers do not know how to estimate even fuel cost and it's not that difficult to figure out to see that rates aren't fair.) Being that I have worked for brokers before, I can tell you that, from the inside, sales reps are pitted against mysterious "other company" who quoted less and are forced to match or beat that "other company." Most of those sales reps are trying to, of course, save their jobs and keep quotas. I know and you know the rates they quote are based on beating some other broker's rate and nothing else.
 
Not fully in agreement

I tend to agree with most of what you say regarding freight brokers. Although I am not at all in agreement with your opininon regarding carriers, and that may be due to what field you operate in, and there are many; ftl - ltl - specialized- reefer and so on.
If we tackle the freight broker issue 1st, here is what I have to add:
1) There are way to many freight brokers out there.
2) The ease of entry into the field is again way to easy, criteria is almost non existant.
3) There is no adequate government body policing their activities, has any freight broker had an audit performed whereby the policing party has looked into how they operate their so called TRUST ACCOUNTS.
4) Why are so many Freight brokers from the Greater Toronto area delinquant in the remuneration of the carriers they have contracted with. Why do so many go bankrupt and empty the so called TRUST ACCOUNTS of all funds , not just their mark up?
5) How is it possible that the carrier contract (their main tool) often does not contain all the pertinent information regarding the shipment. The address is often incomplete without zip codes or extension numbers to telephone numbers. The most common error being incomplete or incorrect pick up numbers. This requires the carrier, and his driver to waste time gathering the appropriate information upon pick up, tying up at least three telephone lines.
6) Why do some freight brokers use the following argument: I have not been paid by my client, as an reason not to pay the Carrier. Who their client is is their business not the carriers. If they do not have the finacial abilty to pay the freight bill, they should take appropriate measures to acquire the operating capitol.

As for Carriers, I do not believe size equates to reliability. I beleive the inverse to be true. I agnowledge that the exception may be for the FTL carrier. If a carrier with 3 trucks or less breaks down he may not have the financial wherewithal to rent another truck to move the load. Although an organized one will. ( rent a truck and have the other one fixed and still generate revenue).

I beleive that in all other fields the bigger carriers are less reliable. The following is my reasoning:
For example a carrier with less than 10 trucks.
1) Knows exactly what each piece of equipment is doing at all times
2) Can provide you with a status report that is promt and accurate
3) Will not have too many people putting erroneous information into the dispatch software, causing service failures.
4) Will generally have seasoned and satisfied highly experienced drivers ( intelligent people generally to not like to be refered to by a number)
5) Will not have drivers in training damaging equipment and freight. ( Generally insurance companies requirement).
6) Will not have many terminals where freight is handled unnecessarily, causing damage claims and or complete misplacement of the freight.

All in all a smaller carrier, mind you a good one, will have all around better control of his operations. This he- she must do to be profitable.
 
I would rather take my chances with the smaller carriers for most of the reasons stated about. As a smaller carrier we have had lots of freight cancel at the LAST minute and the customer does not always tell you why and sometimes don't know when it will go because its not built yet. We have also had it when the freight does have to come back. Unless you just dropped in Detroit there would be time to do new paperwork to get it back in the country.
 
To sum things up here it all come down to REPUTATION within the industry
Earn it and you will be ok
Abuse it > and sooner or later your name will apear on Inside Transport
That is what this is about Work together as a team of information
and save the headaches that can be avoided !!!