Project 44

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Good day all,

Just wanted to chime in and see what your thoughts are on project 44. Seems like alot of brokers are starting to push this platform and it came to my attention one of the brokers we have a pretty good relationship with would like us to onboard. I'm usually pretty against any integration with with the drivers ELD but would like to see what you all think of this.

Looking forward to your responses.
 
Although I am not familiar with this particular platform, I do believe that these types of programs will become commonplace in the very near future. Customers with large transportation budgets are under constant pressure from upper management and shareholders to reduce costs, which these programs claim they can do. I have seen more and more customers grasping at any of these “magic sauce” sales pitches in an effort to help them lower their costs. Unfortunately, in a relatively new industry such as this, there is constant, continuing innovation and improvement. Customers who buy into a particular program today, may regret that decision in a few months time as a “better mouse trap” is introduced. Interesting times ahead.
 
Pro: Doesn't cost my driver anything, doesn't track his/her phone or require apps. Reduces manual updates etc. reduces communication with ESL individuals for legitimate updates.
Cons: Have fun justifying why your driver needs to use the facilities, security risk with offering outside visibility to randoms and of course... doesn't pay anything extra for implementation and use.

just my 2 cents.
 
Pro: Doesn't cost my driver anything, doesn't track his/her phone or require apps. Reduces manual updates etc. reduces communication with ESL individuals for legitimate updates.
Cons: Have fun justifying why your driver needs to use the facilities, security risk with offering outside visibility to randoms and of course... doesn't pay anything extra for implementation and use.

just my 2 cents.

I like the aspect of not having to spend time explaining tracking apps to non tech-savvy drivers however like the con you stated, we are on the fence on allowing 3rd parties to access critical ELD information, Especially with today's day and age of data breaches and ransomware attacks. What credibility do these software companies have when it comes to keeping your data secure? We've seen in the past with some large brokerages like TQL have leaks and they are a billion-dollar organization and a titan compared to a smaller-sized startup based out of Chicago. Those whose TMS is linked with their ELD provider should do their research as well before they link up with invasive integrations. Definitely some things to consider before clicking buttons putting your information out there because brokerage apprentice Chad who 2 months into his new role said so.
 
I like the aspect of not having to spend time explaining tracking apps to non tech-savvy drivers however like the con you stated, we are on the fence on allowing 3rd parties to access critical ELD information, Especially with today's day and age of data breaches and ransomware attacks. What credibility do these software companies have when it comes to keeping your data secure? We've seen in the past with some large brokerages like TQL have leaks and they are a billion-dollar organization and a titan compared to a smaller-sized startup based out of Chicago. Those whose TMS is linked with their ELD provider should do their research as well before they link up with invasive integrations. Definitely some things to consider before clicking buttons putting your information out there because brokerage apprentice Chad who 2 months into his new role said so.
I have an issue with any outside organization wanting driver ELD info....it's for the driver and his company to utilize. You open up this Pandora's box and wait for the BS to fly. Why is the driver over there now and not at my delivery? I see he hasn't moved in 5 seconds...why?.....blah blah blah.....I get sharing of info to make life easier on all....but I can see it as the customer now trying to control the truck and driver like they own it. LTL is one thing but can you imagine the questions on a TL when all that's on the truck is one customer's freight? NO THANKS!!!
 
Good day all,

Just wanted to chime in and see what your thoughts are on project 44. Seems like alot of brokers are starting to push this platform and it came to my attention one of the brokers we have a pretty good relationship with would like us to onboard. I'm usually pretty against any integration with with the drivers ELD but would like to see what you all think of this.

Looking forward to your responses.
Project 44 is a tracking program where software is placed on the drivers phone for tracking purposes or you allow them to track your ELD devices. Macropoint is another supplier of similar services. Large brokerages demand carriers use them so they don't have to trace loads and hopefully diminish their costs. They want to click on their load number and see exactly where the load is at this moment. I urge all carriers to disallow this sensitive information to be shared. It is easier to demand this when trucks are in supply as is the case right now. I thought it dropped off the map earlier this year - nobody required it but now its an issue again. Lets look at the potential issues.
Lets say you share this information with BIGBROKER. Now he has every pinged GPS position of the driver or the truck you allowed him to see. You showed up one minute past the requested time that BIGBROKER asked you to be at. BIGBROKER can easily say that his customer docked payment to him because you were late. It is quite likely that isn't the case but since he already knows you were late he may attempt to skin you for it. BIGBROKER can use your data to identify if you're running effectively. Did you leave on time, did you take only 10 hours off instead of 11? Once again, this may be used against you. Did you plan to drop your trailer in your secured yard and let the driver go home for the weekend? Now he knows where the driver lives. How do you manage telling BIGBROKER that a different driver did a switch and will progress it down the line? Are you doing LTL? BIGBROKER knows of each stop you made after you turned it on and may datamine your data to get the address of each location for his sales team. Is BIGBROKER really turning off the tracing after the load is delivered or is he constantly mining your data? What does Project 44 do with your data? They datamine too and sell the data to BIGBROKER. They quite likely have data of carriers and lanes to sell to other BIGBROKERs who pay to get other carriers. Fuel locations request this data so they know where is the best spots to close locations due to minimal trucks and open them in higher traffic areas.

The last point; which I think is the most important point. Why would you want anyone knowing where their precious load exactly is at this moment? Lets say BIGBROKER uses Project44 to track his expensive TL load of copper. Who at BIGBROKER or Project44 also has access to this data? Maybe the broker of this load, Joe, doesn't care but broker Billy in another office knows of these loads moving. Billy has friends who can move this copper in heartbeat and since he also has visibility he watches these from home on Project44 and when one rolls nearby him he calls his buddies to steal the truck and all from the truck stop. He knows exactly when the driver got there and that he has 10 hours from that time to do it. He just has to wait for the driver to go inside. Billy can look up the carrier and sometimes even the truck and trailer number from his system and match it with accuracy with the app to see which spot he is parked in. Now the you the carrier is scratching your head wondering what to do with the cargo claim but don't worry the tractor and trailer show up 3 days later and the copper is gone. You're wondering how this happened but guess what - you facilitated it and you probably don't even know it. Its not far fetched. I bet it is already happening. Good luck trying to prove it.

Its cool that we live in an age where you can see your freight move down the road in almost real time but this data collection is dangerous. FedEx doesn't do it why would you? If you wanted to give milestones then so be it. Do you think BIGBROKER is looking at your truck all day? No he isn't because he is too busy selling freight. He only needs it when stuff hits the fan and then they look to the data to see if they can pin it on you and there will always be something in the data. Even for that one special direct customer I wouldn't recommend it because that special customer could also have a rogue employee with the same thing in mind. Once you let that data out you can't get it back.

Please - say no to Project44 / Macropoint. Build your own system to update BIGBROKER because now you own and manage who gets the data.
 
Project 44 is a tracking program where software is placed on the drivers phone for tracking purposes or you allow them to track your ELD devices. Macropoint is another supplier of similar services. Large brokerages demand carriers use them so they don't have to trace loads and hopefully diminish their costs. They want to click on their load number and see exactly where the load is at this moment. I urge all carriers to disallow this sensitive information to be shared. It is easier to demand this when trucks are in supply as is the case right now. I thought it dropped off the map earlier this year - nobody required it but now its an issue again. Lets look at the potential issues.
Lets say you share this information with BIGBROKER. Now he has every pinged GPS position of the driver or the truck you allowed him to see. You showed up one minute past the requested time that BIGBROKER asked you to be at. BIGBROKER can easily say that his customer docked payment to him because you were late. It is quite likely that isn't the case but since he already knows you were late he may attempt to skin you for it. BIGBROKER can use your data to identify if you're running effectively. Did you leave on time, did you take only 10 hours off instead of 11? Once again, this may be used against you. Did you plan to drop your trailer in your secured yard and let the driver go home for the weekend? Now he knows where the driver lives. How do you manage telling BIGBROKER that a different driver did a switch and will progress it down the line? Are you doing LTL? BIGBROKER knows of each stop you made after you turned it on and may datamine your data to get the address of each location for his sales team. Is BIGBROKER really turning off the tracing after the load is delivered or is he constantly mining your data? What does Project 44 do with your data? They datamine too and sell the data to BIGBROKER. They quite likely have data of carriers and lanes to sell to other BIGBROKERs who pay to get other carriers. Fuel locations request this data so they know where is the best spots to close locations due to minimal trucks and open them in higher traffic areas.

The last point; which I think is the most important point. Why would you want anyone knowing where their precious load exactly is at this moment? Lets say BIGBROKER uses Project44 to track his expensive TL load of copper. Who at BIGBROKER or Project44 also has access to this data? Maybe the broker of this load, Joe, doesn't care but broker Billy in another office knows of these loads moving. Billy has friends who can move this copper in heartbeat and since he also has visibility he watches these from home on Project44 and when one rolls nearby him he calls his buddies to steal the truck and all from the truck stop. He knows exactly when the driver got there and that he has 10 hours from that time to do it. He just has to wait for the driver to go inside. Billy can look up the carrier and sometimes even the truck and trailer number from his system and match it with accuracy with the app to see which spot he is parked in. Now the you the carrier is scratching your head wondering what to do with the cargo claim but don't worry the tractor and trailer show up 3 days later and the copper is gone. You're wondering how this happened but guess what - you facilitated it and you probably don't even know it. Its not far fetched. I bet it is already happening. Good luck trying to prove it.

Its cool that we live in an age where you can see your freight move down the road in almost real time but this data collection is dangerous. FedEx doesn't do it why would you? If you wanted to give milestones then so be it. Do you think BIGBROKER is looking at your truck all day? No he isn't because he is too busy selling freight. He only needs it when stuff hits the fan and then they look to the data to see if they can pin it on you and there will always be something in the data. Even for that one special direct customer I wouldn't recommend it because that special customer could also have a rogue employee with the same thing in mind. Once you let that data out you can't get it back.

Please - say no to Project44 / Macropoint. Build your own system to update BIGBROKER because now you own and manage who gets the data.

Very well put Jim, I definitely agree with the fact that most of these "All in one Magical Tracking Solutions" companies are just data mining and are data brokers. They buy and sell YOUR data to the highest bidder, they use your information that you do not get paid anything extra for. Big Box brokerages are selling these services to their customers at a premium and don't pay the carrier anything for compliance when its our information that is at stake. The only reason these programs come around market shifts is they know carriers are willing to do anything for the freight and can force compliance onto carriers that want to pull the freight saying the customer requires this. It is very rare that a customer requires these and more that sales sold the customer on this and has to provide.
 
If the broker or consignee want live updates of their product, why don’t they just put an Apple Airtag into a skid? Would that not give them updates as they need it without being intrusive to the driver or company’s IT system. Or am I missing something?
 
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If the broker or consignee want live updates of their product, why don’t they just put an Apple Airtag into a skid? Would that not give them updates as they need it without being intrusive to the driver or company’s IT system. Or am I missing something?
Most customers who ship high-value cargo put their own tracking devices on the skids and within the product, even have light detectors that can tell if the doors have been opened as well.
 
If the broker or consignee want live updates of their product, why don’t they just put an Apple Airtag into a skid? Would that not give them updates as they need it without being intrusive to the driver or company’s IT system. Or am I missing something?

If the driver has an iPhone, it will notify them that an unknown AirTag is near them.

Air tags are also unreliable without a Bluetooth connection far away as they rely on a faint signal (if the transmitting device accepts).
 
What is CTPAT's stance on this practice of live GPS tracking/sharing? I've not be able to find any information on this online.
 
What is CTPAT's stance on this practice of live GPS tracking/sharing? I've not be able to find any information on this online.
CTPAT is only concerned with threats that may be possible to the US through what is perceived as normal business. Having a tracker would not be considered a threat unless the tracker it used to recover contraband. Definitely if someone wants to track your driver for a load like scrap paper the carrier should internally escalate that as a potential security risk and review everything to ensure that nothing in the load is a risk to their CTPAT enrollment if they are caught.
We had a load of watermelons about 5 years back. The freight broker gave the shipper our number and we were called so often that it became really frustrating and we suspected that something was amiss. We contacted the threat line provided in our CTPAT processes who was very happy to investigate it further for us. We went to CBP in Detroit where they inspected, found nothing and sent us on our way. At our next renewal CTPAT patted us on the back saying this was exactly how they wanted to see this happen and that everything pointed to a potential threat. This paragraph is a little off topic but it relates to tracking as well.
 
One of the big Canadian Box stores is pushing for this and the carrier has to pay for the integration. I am not in favour of the for the reasons noted above. It is not just on a driver's cell phone either. The carrier need not share the location of his/her drivers and his/her customers to Project 44 whom basically is another 3PL whom will have your data.
I do not see the value to the carrier, to a broker or even to the average customer.
We have said no.
 
I have a question regarding the privacy act. We need to enter drivers data into our ELD system. License, full name, cell phone, and email. How can we be sure this information is secure when sending to project 44 or systems like it. Would each driver not have to sign off giving permission to pass this information on to a 3rd party? Any insight would be great
 
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I have a question regarding the privacy act. We need to enter drivers data into our ELD system. License, full name, cell phone, and email. How can we be sure this information is secure when sending to project 44 or systems like it. Would each driver not have to sign off giving permission to pass this information on to a 3rd party? Any insight would be great

That's the exact reason why we are hesitant, we don't want to be on the hook if a driver's info is leaked due to a mistake on P44 or any other 3rd party's side.
 
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