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Nova Scotia Authorities / Toronto Phone Numbers
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Where have you been lol.. Been the latest craze for the last couple years. Let me guess they where all SE Asian companies and in the Brampton Caledon area?? Heck someone posted that there was like 50 companies or something at one address down there and it is an office building. PS most of them have the same insurance broker too..
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I'm kinda new to transportation but wouldn't just avoiding these types of companies for a few years help them to just go away?
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One would think so, however there is always someone desperate enough to deal with these outfits. On occasion, they can actual get the job done…..sometimes. There is nothing wrong with a company keeping their costs under control, but fraudulently representing yourself to various regulatory bodies and insurance providers goes well beyond the meaning of simply “watching your dollars”.
When Truck World was on this spring in Mississauga, asked the MTO guys at the booth about this.
They said they were quite aware of these hijinks (plus the Alberta authorities thing) and basically said it's not kosher.
They said they were quite aware of these hijinks (plus the Alberta authorities thing) and basically said it's not kosher.
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Then put their feet back up on the table and continued sipping their coffee?
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And they are all their cousin-brother sister company who they all feed off of.
Igor Galanter
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PTS Transport
Legal Name: PTS TRANSPORT LTD. DBA Name: · Physical Address: 1959 UPPER WATER ST SUITE 1301. HALIFAX, NS B3J 3N2. Phone: (902) 200-0085. - does anyone have another contact #
www.insidetransport.com
All credit goes to @Nawk , eh...
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I had a discussion at this forum a long time ago and I said transportation and logistics are far from professional ethics ,bad practices are part of this industry .most of the companies grown up by grabbing drivers' pay or HST , further, carriers are involved in double brokerage and interstates, I reported myself to big brokers regarding double brokerage and they aware about it but never take any action because there channels tune-up under the table
Excuse my these statements but as a matter of fact it's a bitter truth
Excuse my these statements but as a matter of fact it's a bitter truth
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the main reason these carriers are using Nova Scotia based addresses is for Nova Scotia Insurance rates. ON rates are notoriously expensive for good reason. that is all going to change October 1st once facility implements their new rates where it doesn't matter where your operation is based from.
I've noticed many carriers using the 1959 Upper Water Street address in Halifax as their office address. When you google search it, you get results for using this address as a Virtual Office. I'm sure there are legit reasons for companies to use these Virtual Offices, but I'm not sure a trucking company with staff and physical assets located in Ontario is one of those legit reasons. Anytime I see this address, I put the carrier on the DNU. I've also seen 50 Eileen Stubbs Ave in Dartmouth NS used many times, but not sure the back story on that address. Also a DNU red flag.
Shakey
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Show me an industry or profession that doesn't have bottom dwellers. If there is money to be made in grey market of an industry someone will try, and if successful they will run that scam as long as they can. Sorry but it's not trucking or logistics that is so terrible to be in, it is our world and reality. Some like the high road, others the scrap the bottom and love every minute.
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Our industry has its share of bad apples, some might say even more than its fair share. All of which makes it even more important to exercise a high degree of vigilance when dealing with a new partner. A new shipper, broker or carrier should always be vetted with the highest level scrutiny possible. We all know there are crooks and low life’s out there, your job is to identify them before they can wreak havoc. Nothing builds trust better than someone doing what they say they will do and also paying their bills on time. Just as the old adage says, “actions speak louder than words”.
Our industry has its bad apples because it's generally rewarded. Beneficial freight owners (BFO ie shippers) look for freight brokers who look for the cheapest option will find those carriers who have jigged the system with addresses that don't match their authorities and phone numbers that just don't make sense. Those nasty carriers will have no issues double brokering freight and asking for quick pay from the original broker.
The good carrier with all the T's and I's in place will be the one that gets burned because they had a driver in an area that sat for too many days and was able to match this one load from a guy in NS who will never get paid. The good carrier makes sure that the goods are delivered and everyone happy.
The quicker we can get the beneficial freight owner (ie the guy with the money) to only use reputable brokers, who contract better carriers, will the industry turn around. It's no easy feat. If there was a way to make the BFO pay the ultimate carrier everytime it would fix itself real quick. I say we go back to zero credit for freight moves. The freight is paid before delivery.
The good carrier with all the T's and I's in place will be the one that gets burned because they had a driver in an area that sat for too many days and was able to match this one load from a guy in NS who will never get paid. The good carrier makes sure that the goods are delivered and everyone happy.
The quicker we can get the beneficial freight owner (ie the guy with the money) to only use reputable brokers, who contract better carriers, will the industry turn around. It's no easy feat. If there was a way to make the BFO pay the ultimate carrier everytime it would fix itself real quick. I say we go back to zero credit for freight moves. The freight is paid before delivery.
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If carriers would collectively say NO to cheap freight, then the cut-rate brokers would have no one to service their penny pinching, rate shopping BFO clients. I know….easier said than done. Remember, the carriers do hold all the cards in this game. Granted, until the riff raff is finally cleansed from our industry, they run the risk of having a driver sit, or worse, return home empty. Most carriers already know who the bad guys are, either through prior experience with them or from sites like this. When you’re dealing with a new entity, there can be no such thing as performing too much due diligence. Just as the good carriers would like to see the scum bag brokers gone from our industry, so too do the reputable brokers. Everything just seems so much easier when you are dealing with professional companies.
Shakey
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@Jim L with how much all BFO's went over budget last couple of years they are loving the bottom dwellers this year and this downturn. Need some of them to take it in the shorts due to these bad apples and that will help. Also regulation with a bite, don't like counting on government but can't see BFO's changing from getting savings in challenging times
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To note had a few "reputable brokers" pull this on us this week. When the economy starts to nose dive this business is just like any other: cut-throat. (And i get it now brokers gotta compete with buddy on his laptop in a tim hortons for free wifi soliciting their customers)
Also why I dont blame the carriers who were "price gouging" last year and the year before. BFO's love the cheaper rates when they can get them, and most carrier's will roll their wheels for the most amount of money they can get. Its economics 101.
The pendulum is always swinging, and with the recession upon us next year it will be a tight market for truck capacity again (there have been 6000 voluntary MC revocations just last month) and mega carriers are buying up new equipment for next year (new truck orders up 55k units in september for 2023) which means used prices are going to fall...sound familiar? Rinse and Repeat.
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Nothing Jiggery or Pokekery here. It's hard to get insurance for carriers in Ontario. Even after getting insurance they can't hire drivers. According to Ontario law, drivers must have a minimum of 3 years of verifiable driving experience with clean abstract. Where as in NS, you only need six months experience and insurance is almost $600 cheaper per unit per month.