National Freight Forwarding/Gilson Freight/Tesla Logistics

[Tip15]

@Mike1710 maybe ask Devinder how they were tangled up in giving loads to Giant Tiger to put on the rail? Even better they were loading out of a famous dock located in Orangeville, ON. I do not think you are dealing with anyone that will treat you in good faith here unfortunately. National has been on our DNU for suspision of Double Brokering for some time now...

 

[JACKBURTON]

Posting all our conversation on inside will not bring any solution here..

It'll bring some entertainment though...

 

[national12]

Hello Mike

I am so sorry for confusion Mike but freight is in Winnipeg and we can send it out to Bc with Team for delivery Friday morning.
We are simply requesting for advance payment only because we have never worked with you in past.. we are already in loss doing loads with Tesla , I understand that it is not your fault but same time we never worked with you as well.
Just email confirmation that you will pay us after delivery does not give us enough surety of payment.
Hope you understand our concern as well.
Posting all our conversation on inside will not bring any solution here.. It is only you and us who will need to come together and get this load delivered.

this is not a solution to resolve this.. it was just a simple request to close this matter. but if you are choosing this way ok lets go together than..
if you have no bad intension paying our bills why you are not doing it now.. we dont know you and your company or your company reputation SIR .. we are just asking for payment for work we did on this load nothing else MIKE....

 

[tasuinam]

Mark

Looks like you do not want to resolve this issue, we are one of the top tier companies in Canada who is enroll in several domestic programs, you may not have heard off.
Please add owners of this cargo and need assurance from them that we can discard this cargo, all the charges including discarding of this cargo will be billed to you.
You are free to contact any authorities and if they can guarantee money on your company, we will adhere with them.

who is Mark???

 

[duke22]

this is not a solution to resolve this.. it was just a simple request to close this matter. but if you are choosing this way ok lets go together than..
if you have no bad intension paying our bills why you are not doing it now.. we dont know you and your company or your company reputation SIR .. we are just asking for payment for work we did on this load nothing else MIKE....

Can you not run a credit check NFF? You haven't done the work, because the delivery is not complete. Likely even with Tesla this was not a paid upfront contract. Surely L3M is more reputable than Telsa who you accepted the load from in the first place. This is beyond insane, you should be jumping for joy you found the actual broker and they are willing to pay you directly. This makes this whole thing incredibly suspicious on your end?

 

[Rob]

I will vouch for L3M. Mark and his team have always paid us on time never and issue. I do not hesitate to call them if we match up. I cannot say that for anymore that about 20 brokers in this whole mess of an industry. To all the crooks and scammers involved may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch just as the wife is ready to rock.

 

[national12]

Can you not run a credit check NFF? You haven't done the work, because the delivery is not complete. Likely even with Tesla this was not a paid upfront contract. Surely L3M is more reputable than Telsa who you accepted the load from in the first place. This is beyond insane, you should be jumping for joy you found the actual broker and they are willing to pay you directly. This makes this whole thing incredibly suspicious on your end?

we are just trying to secure our money as simple is that.. @duke22 what he does not pay us will you take guarantee? @duke22 it is easy to say than actually doing it yourself..

 

[Igor Galanter]

we are just trying to secure our money as simple is that.. @duke22 what he does not pay us will you take guarantee? @duke22 it is easy to say than actually doing it yourself..

Just deliver the load, than ball will be in L3M corner. That is the only way to be right and have some support in this matter..

 

[Thefriendlybroker1]

National - you want payment - go to receiver and take pics of trailer with freight at the dock - L3M can email you money in seconds. I wouldn't pay you either until i knew the freight was on site at receiver. You took the freight without this pre-paid condition.. seems like your making it more complicated than it needs to be.. and all the lies about freight whereabouts - just makes it worse... just hit Our DNU list as well .

 

[BPOVFB]

100% unless it's their 1 registered truck........
I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT "several domestic programs, you may not have heard off."!

 

[Thefriendlybroker1]

i agree. I had similar issue last year with 5911 ( im waving as i know he is on here ) where they agreed to bring to receiver, take pic once backed up and we would send payment . He never showed , then freight was in AB as last mile log - giant mess..

 

[national12]

i agree. I had similar issue last year with 5911 ( im waving as i know he is on here ) where they agreed to bring to receiver, take pic once backed up and we would send payment . He never showed , then freight was in AB as last mile log - giant t

thanks a lot for understanding this situation.. we showed him pictures and everything that your load is secured with just for our satisfaction that our payment is secure we asked him to pay in advance sine we have no history with L3M .. if he is right than he should not be having any issues paying us .. what will we do with this load we wanted to deliver it as well this load is holding our trailer from last week.

don't you think we have every right as trucker to secure our payments.. but if they refuse to pay after once load is delivered.. these days it is very hard to Trust anyone in trucking..

 

[national12]

I have told you and Devinder 20x now that once we receive proof of delivery (signed BOL and your invoice) we will pay you instantly. Your lies of where the truck was, etc., do not help your cause. Winnipeg is sure a long way from Abbotsford. Our stance remains unchanged. Deliver the freight, send us proof, we pay. This thing was AT LEAST triple brokered and if you, in turn, hired a non-NFFI truck, then we'll round that up to quadruple brokered. We simply want to pay the truck that delivers the freight. If it's you, then that is wonderful. If it's not you and you also double brokered it, simply send me the details of the company doing the load and I will reach out to them and pay them.

sorry we are done on this topic now if you are not trusting us how do you expect trust you on payments..

i am sorry but ending this topic here from our side.. already wasted so much time since we booked this load..

 

[Thefriendlybroker1]

this looks like 5911 all over.. and when i say that, I mean the wording, threats and everything are similiar.

Having experienced these issues myself, you are in the wrong national.. if you wanted payment prior to delivery - you should have arranged that prior to picking up load. Just reading the storyline shows something is off with you being in MB days after a delivery appt was due. Why wouldn't you go to receiver with freight, have them call L3M to say its there and before they offload, collect payment via etransfer. You are satisfied of being paid and L3M knows the freight is at delivery.

 

[loaders]

One thing is certain as a result of this terrible nightmare, National Freight Forwarding have done irreparable damage to whatever type of reputation they hade previously. Perhaps they are the innocent carrier, stuck with a load of dubious origin that passed thru the hands of some unsavoury characters, rightfully fearing that they won’t get paid for their efforts. Or, perhaps they are a major player of this criminal, fraudulent scheme to knowingly defraud and extort monies from various freight brokerage firms. Either way, they have offered no serious attempt to rectify the situation or to collaborate with what appears to be a willing payer. Actually, their responses so far have only confirmed that perhaps they are indeed the latter.

 

[JACKBURTON]

Or, perhaps they are a major player of this criminal, fraudulent scheme to knowingly defraud and extort monies from various freight brokerage firms. Either way, they have offered no serious attempt to rectify the situation or to collaborate with what appears to be a willing payer. Actually, their responses so far have only confirmed that perhaps they are indeed the latter.

If it walks like a duck I guess?
Either way they are the newest member of our DNU club.

 

[Igor Galanter]

Why wouldn't you go to receiver with freight, have them call L3M to say its there and before they offload, collect payment via etransfer. You are satisfied of being paid and L3M knows the freight is at delivery.

Frankly, at this point I wouldn't trust with the payment PRIOR to delivery .. Only when freight is on the receiver's floor and in a satisfactory condition..
NFF does them self a good favor to cut the last branch of the tree they set on...

 

[MikeJr]

Oh I wish I had hoped in earlier today, this was a good read.

National12 - If Rob here states that L3M pays their bills, they do. I feel that you should deliver the freight in good faith and be happy Mike found you so you can be paid for hauling this load. I hope you find the true owners of the other loads you took from Tesla.

Mike - I have to say you're trying hard to do the right thing here by trying to find the actual carrier hauling your load. In my experience when contacting a carrier that was rebrokered a load, they were always extremely happy to hear from me, work with me and we all got the job done. The fact that there is any hesitation to deliver and be paid directly by you means I have to suggest whenever the load does deliver, you'd better have the receiver write the name that's on the side of the truck on the BOL and have the driver and he/she sign next to that. In case you need that information in the future.

If both National12 and L3M are telling the truth here, this story has a simple happy ending, deliver the freight and get paid (upon delivery would be nice, but within 30 days are standard terms). Because this is not happening I feel there may be details we don't know about.

Keep well and good luck,
Mike

 

[Mike1710]

Oh I wish I had hoped in earlier today, this was a good read.

National12 - If Rob here states that L3M pays their bills, they do. I feel that you should deliver the freight in good faith and be happy Mike found you so you can be paid for hauling this load. I hope you find the true owners of the other loads you took from Tesla.

Mike - I have to say you're trying hard to do the right thing here by trying to find the actual carrier hauling your load. In my experience when contacting a carrier that was rebrokered a load, they were always extremely happy to hear from me, work with me and we all got the job done. The fact that there is any hesitation to deliver and be paid directly by you means I have to suggest whenever the load does deliver, you'd better have the receiver write the name that's on the side of the truck on the BOL and have the driver and he/she sign next to that. In case you need that information in the future.

If both National12 and L3M are telling the truth here, this story has a simple happy ending, deliver the freight and get paid (upon delivery would be nice, but within 30 days are standard terms). Because this is not happening I feel there may be details we don't know about.

Keep well and good luck,
Mike

I fear there is a poor truck driver who is sitting somewhere out there with this load in his trailer wondering WTF is going on. IF YOU CAN READ THIS, or if anyone on here knows who the trucking company/driver is that is doing a load from Waterloo, ON to Abbotsford, BC, please call us at L3M and we will make this right for you and ensure you are paid for your service.

 

[national12]

I fear there is a poor truck driver who is sitting somewhere out there with this load in his trailer wondering WTF is going on. IF YOU CAN READ THIS, or if anyone on here knows who the trucking company/driver is that is doing a load from Waterloo, ON to Abbotsford, BC, please call us at L3M and we will make this right for you and ensure you are paid for your service.

@Mike1710 thank god you are thinking little of driver now.. till now you were only talking about your freight /your concerns / your sureties / your load..
but we do care about our drivers who work for us day / night ..not to worry about our driver we are here to take care of them...