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I have under good authority that the owner of M Logistics is now running Destiny Freight out of Mississauga.

I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing this as I got Scr***ed by them too
 
It's worth noting both previous company names:

Merilin Logistics Inc.
M Logistics
Mississauga ON

I understand that the 'owners' of both companies are not the same individual but are related.

There is a thread or two already when you search.

Keep well,

Mike
 
Owner is Anthony Kerpal. I spoke with him and he admitted to me he was M Logistics and he started Destiny to start fresh as he blames his dispatchers for creating all the issue.

He goes by some name Ron, but I've heard a few rumours about it being the same and if you look at M logistics stop date and Destiny start date.. they are a few weeks apart. I also have a confirmation they are the same person from another company which I've agreed not to mention.
 
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Owner is Anthony Kerpal. I spoke with him and he admitted to me he was M Logistics and he started Destiny to start fresh as he blames his dispatchers for creating all the issue.

He goes by some name Ron, but I've heard a few rumours about it being the same and if you look at M logistics stop date and Destiny start date.. they are a few weeks apart. I also have a confirmation they are the same person from another company which I've agreed not to mention.
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He used a similar excuse when explaining why he had to 'sell' Merilin Logistics and claimed he was working as a consultant for the 'new' owner of M Logistics...

Uh huh....

Keep well,

Mike
 
M Logistics

Good to know...I used them for a shipment in July from Scarborough to Montreal. I paid them in 30 days as I do with all my carriers. (Big mistake!)

Now there is a carrier chasing my customer for the money that they never received. It was double brokered to them.

Can anyone answer this...I know about the Bill of Lading Act stating that the consignee is responsible if the carrier doesn't get paid, but if the BL was clearly marked "Third Party" it was evident that it was double brokered, so would the customer still be liable?

I feel bad because they already paid (and I already paid) for the transport!

Any advice would be appreciated.
 
The Bill of Lading has a section on it where the party responsible for the freight charges is named. It could be marked "Prepaid", where the shipper pays the freight. It could be marked "Collect", where the consignee pays the freight. It can also be marked "Third Party", where another entity pays the freight. I assume from your post that you are the "Third Party". Was your company name and address included on the Bill of Lading? If not, the unpaid carrier is following the paper trail to your customer, who I assume is the consignee. If you are the "Third Party" responsible for the freight charges, you may have to re-imburse the unpaid carrier for his services, in spite of the fact that you have already paid the "double-broker". If your customer is nothing more than the consignee and is not identified on the Bill of Lading as responsible for the freight charges, they have no obligation to pay the carrier. You didn`t mention if the unpaid carrier is seeking more for the shipment than what you paid the ``double-broker``.
 
My Company name is not on the Bill of Lading, but it IS marked '"Third Party", therefore Im assuming my customer (the consignee) is not responsible for the charges?

I was charged $550 for the entire shipment when I booked it, and the unpaid carrier first sent my customer a bill for $800. which I quickly brought to his attention, and then he corrected it and admitted that another consignee was on that bill so he reduced it to $500.

It is now in his lawyers hands and he is willing to "knock it down" to $450. and "waive" the 6% interest.

Question:..If the Bill of Lading was clearly marked Third Party, didnt the unpaid carrier knowingly accept a double brokered shipment? I thought double brokering was not allowed?
 
M Logistics

Who is the "third party" from the bil of lading?

I know of some large companies that have another company manage their freight and pay the bills. If your customer isn't that big then I would ask who is the third party involved, it might be you that they want to put on the hook.

Can you make this $450 back over time from your customer? I would look at doing that to keep your customer out of it and I would also ask the carrier to consider doing loads for you directly so you can make a few points back that way too! I don't mean screw him on a rate, just have him make you a few bucks by moving loads for you.
 
Good to know...I used them for a shipment in July from Scarborough to Montreal. I paid them in 30 days as I do with all my carriers. (Big mistake!)

Now there is a carrier chasing my customer for the money that they never received. It was double brokered to them.

Can anyone answer this...I know about the Bill of Lading Act stating that the consignee is responsible if the carrier doesn't get paid, but if the BL was clearly marked "Third Party" it was evident that it was double brokered, so would the customer still be liable?

I feel bad because they already paid (and I already paid) for the transport!
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Forget about the third party. Your customer is on the hook. I've seen this before and I had to pay it. It is up to your customer to do the due diligence on his broker or carrier. Your freight got double brokered...so what? The judge will say that you are hiring people of the street without knowing them so it's your fault and if you're not going to pay again, then the customer will pay again as he hired you without checking on you. You could of easily scammed your customer, by selling the freight not paying and closing your company. That is why they make the shipper pay at the end. So in my situation, I had to pay the scammer and then the carrier who did the load. Or my customer was going to pay and kick me out.
 
Being a broker we are always caught in the middle. I think it is so unfair that I (the broker) have no choice but to pay..AGAIN for the same shipment.
Clearly if my customer has to pay, I will lose them.
It is hard enough to make money as a broker, you can get pushed out of the picture for $10, and now this.
When I booked with M Logistics, I figured they were reputable and not "fly by nighters" because they were on the Link.
Im learning that is not the case.

I think it should be LAW that the ACTUAL carrier puts their sticker on the bill of lading, that way I would have known another carrier was involved and made sure he was paid, and not M Logistics.
 
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Your last post raises an interesting question. What proof does the carrier who hauled the freight have that he is indeed the actual carrier? Is his name on the Bill of Lading in the box marked Carrier, or is it your name, or is it M Logistics? Did the actual carrier make-up his own Bill of Lading or did he use the one issued by the shipper? The other question that needs to be addressed is, what were the terms of sale between your customer and the shipper/supplier? In other words, when did ownership of the freight transfer from the supplier to the purchaser? Although you as the broker took on the responsibility for paying the freight, you are not part of that sales transaction. It sounds in generalkonrad's case, that the judge used the "beneficial party" approach in resolving the matter. Who benefited from the shipment? In most cases yes, it is the receiver. If there is any "silver lining" to your situation, it is the small dollar amount you are dealing with. Perhaps best to pay the carrier, smooth things over with your customer and move on. Oh, one other thing, check, check and double check each and every person who calls themselves a carrier, starting with using this site.
 
It is definately frustrating, many of us have been there (with this outfit or others).... In the end we (the broker) end up taking responsibility for our actions. Despite the best due dilligence unfortunately we sometimes are deceived.

Tip of the day (when it is followed): Remind the shipper (and/or consignee) to please verify the truck that is on site is the carrier that you told them you contracted. It's difficult to enforce but it has saved me a few times. I always contact the 'furtherance provider' who sometimes ends up being an innocent potential victim. Reactions usually range from "don't worry, we are just doing the local pickup, we've been working with them for years" to "oh my, we were offered hundreds more than you have agreed with who you thought was hauling your freight, lets come to a mutually acceptable agreement"...

Bottom line is regulation is limited (in Canada), we all need to work together to protect each other. Shippers, good carriers, good brokers, consignees... In the long run if we all put 'best practices' in place the 'villains' will run out of people to sucker...

Regarding this thread, I met one of the 'drivers' from M Logistics. I attempted to tell him what his employer was doing and told him there were tons of great companies out there looking for good drivers... Not sure he cared, likely all employees know what is going on when you run a 'racket'...

Keep well,

Mike
 
My feeling is that when you contract with a customer to act as a freight broker for them, you have to be willing to assume that risk. As MikeJr says, there are checks and balances that you can follow to mitigate it, but even so it will happen once in a while.

These days it's hard to get verification of whose actual truck is picking up somewhere. In the majority of cases our customer contacts are not on site at shipper or receiver.

Even though I'm not directly involved in operations (I'm in sales actually) I still watch the forums because any information I can pass to operations to avoid getting stuck in messes with jokers like these actually benefits me. It doesn't speak well of how one manages their suppliers if they find out over and over again that they are contracting with companies who misrepresent themselves.

It's all part of the quality of product/service we offer.
 
Thats just it...there was NO carrier name on the shippers bill of lading.

I believe for any claim to be made by a carrier that was double brokered, his name should be on the bill of lading as proof.

Had I seen a different name on the bill of lading, I would have immediately questioned M Logistics, and probably would not have paid him...at least not right away.

Ive been in business 25 years, and this is the first time this has happened. Hopefully it will be the last.

Thanks for everyone's help on this. I learned something.
 
transbroker,

Here's an easy way to get your money back, just like I did in this case and even made a little off the carrier because of all the problems and lies he caused.

M Logistics owner closed down and re-opened as Destiny freight. They in turn did a few loads for me, which I actually know they did.

After the fact, I found out it was the M Logistics guy (my client also got a bill from a carrier because of double brokering).

I called his factoring company (Bibby) and explained to them they needed to get back the money that they had given him and told them the story. I have refused to pay any of the invoices owing, regardless of proof he delivered. He won't be around for long, so it won't matter.
 
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