yes but those are shunts (within their yards) and these lanes require you to have your own trailers and have a trailer pool at both ends (pick up location and delivery location).
If I wanted someone to do a deep dive on a carrier, who would I contact?
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For RFPs in loose freight markets, many truck companies bid low to get the work and keep their equipment moving, use every accessorial possible to boost profitability then have no problem walking away from the contact when the market turns or renegotiate the rate.
Brokers use similar tactics but impose fines on the carriers for non compliance to make their margin.
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Here's how it works ...Explain this one to me
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dont need bot's for these rates lol
The carrier that put in these rates has bid the lowest possible dollars and cents the system will accept, hence the 22 cents. Now, no one else can see how anyone else is bidding, and the system is hung like this for 5 days.
The rest is usually done by a couple bots run by different SCAC codes. As these auctions are coming to a close there will be a countdown timer. At roughly the 1 second mark the one bot will will withdraw the ridiculously low bid. The second bot will query the system, determine the current lowest bid, and underbid it by $1.00 (+/- 99 cents). Typically that second bot will be the auction winner. As EricG mentioned earlier, there are 1,000 milliseconds in a second, and this is all being done in the last 150 to 200 milliseconds. Carriers watching RFA will never know what the real rate was because the auction will close before screen refreshes can occur.
So in other words it will always revert to the battle of the bots. He who has the fastest bot will win.
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Mmm ... more like the most efficiently scripted bot, and the fastest internet connection.
Ideally, a carrier would find out where the servers are that host the RFA, and rent a server from Amazon that is in the same building ... yes, Amazon rents servers ... load the bot on that server, give it its instructions, and you're off to the races. I would hazard a guess that the entire transaction would be in the 10 millisecond range, no more than 50 milliseconds for sure.
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All that investment to haul a buck a mile. As every day goes by I think more and more about chicken farming. I dont think that would be too bad of a business. I already have the marketing down, been boycotting vegans for about 15 years on Facebook now.
Igor Galanter
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Michael, just curious, is it the same speed for a payment as well, eh..?
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to BOT or not to BOT that is the question
Igor Galanter
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Are we having a new social group " Bot owners", with the elite top layer " Speed bot owners" ? 
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So let me see if I understand this whole thing. First we have robotic, AI in control of the entire quoting and lane awarding system, then we have an autonomous, probably electric truck do the pick up and then deliver to an unmanned, automated warehouse. There seems to be something missing from this process……..humans!
Who has the best pipe with the lowest latency will always win... bot processing time on your local machine shouldn't be an issue if your running a computer built after 2015, however your internet pipe, latency, jitter and web server ACK timeframes will be the deciding factor on whether your "data/bid/api hit" is received in time.
I.e. if your running a Rogers Cable residential connection in southern Ontario, you will almost NEVER be fast enough to win, due the lack of IP Peering Rogers has in the GTA with AMZN network infrastructure.....
The ideal scenario, would be to develop an AWS app, that is run and stored on amazon cloud services, I've seen internal ping times between amazon infrastructure points under 15ms. There are many ways to "skin a amazon load"
PeeringDB Info for those that would like to fact check
Another way to ensure timely connectivity is to co-locate in a DC at TorIX at 151 Front or 250 Front for example..
Buckle up! its only going to progress faster and faster down this road.
Just like street racing... always gonna have those guys with sleepers, hidden 400 shot bottles... etc... same with online bidding, always gonna have the slow peeps, the hot rods, and the full custom build software.... they all reach the finish line... but all at different times... some a more sneaky than others.
The best bots / automation are the ones you never hear of... 1. because the host/vendor doesn't even know people are running a bot against his infra. 2. Why giveaway your potential competitive advantage?
I'm willing to get that people where running automated / bot based stock market trading software for stocks well before the term "day-trading" became common knowledge... you just didn't know it was happening... the brokers weren't about to tell his buddy he made 200k today trading, and he didn't click the mouse once.... why would anyone ever share that type of competitive advantage.
No you make more than buck a mile.
Lets say, you have 100 bidders out there.
You bid the lowest possible price the platform can accept. At least 50% like me until I invest in Bot (already looking a small basement near Amazon server room
will just ignore the bidding. so now the lowest bidder has cut the competition to half, So basically lowest bidder first cut the competition and then play with bunch of SCACs and bots probably which i doubt. Also bunch of carriers are making a group for a lane to bid and then bid together whoever wins will share the lane. GTA to Edmonton has 35 loads per week. No Amazon carrier can run all 35 on their own trucks I can Guarantee that its impossible looking into their performance metrics, check in time check out time. yes FCFS Warehouses you can run 35 but not with Amazon. Plus Edmonton OB market is dead like graveyard, never wakes up.
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Chicken farming wow you must have a pile of cash to get started have you seen the price of quota?
