HAD TO LAUGH AT THIS RATE...

I certainly try to do everything I can to protect my carrier base. I very selfishly want them to be around and in a healthy state when freight picks up. So one really has to take the long view.. we forgo some margin today so that tomorrow our carriers will be ready and willing to haul our freight when the market tightens up again. It took me some years to cobble together my current carrier base.. they are my bread and butter, and I wouldn't want to start again from scratch. Posting loads and hoping someone calls is really no way to run a business... a brokerage is really only as good as its dedicated carrier base. Sure, we post loads sometimes, but for the most part our value added is the 50 carriers who haul for us on a weekly basis.
 
Here's one that hit me yesterday quoted a shipment Lobelville TN to Edmonton AB; sales has reported someone quoted 3,700 all in............hopefully sales wrong and it is at least in USD but they claim CDN

With the latest manufacturing results out in USA this is not going to end anytime soon...........
 
I believe it will be slow until mid February when all of the seasonal freight starts to move. By mid March the begging for Ohio, and Midwest trucks should begin.

Guys like Movemore offering $500 out of Cleveland will be hurting then.
 
Yep and they ask can you do it for that. They wont commit because I am sure the next guy will get asked 475 etc. I just told Yury that he should be ashamed of himself and to never call me again. This was last week.

That is their MO. I have called before on Baltimore loads and he usually calls back 1-3 hours later asking if you still have the truck.
Brokers like that we don't need.

Really tempted to book the crap and call him at 5 pm and say sorry can't load it today and string him along till he looses the customer but I don't need my name dragged down with the POS.

Rates like this are the one's pissing everyone off. I understand the 1200 out of Cleveland area is gone till spring but 500? Come on that is a joke. I got that back in the early 90's
 
Scumbags. Did one order for them about 6 months ago. I was desperate and thinking even shit freight is better than empty space. Told Yuri at the time of booking that it would deliver Tuesday. On Monday another dumbass calls and asks what time the freight will deliver. I tell him Tuesday as agreed with Yuri. Well no, that's not good enough, this order has to deliver today. Sorry pal, not going to happen, speak to Yuri, we agreed on Tuesday. Guess who calls back almost every hour on the hour for the next 24 hours until the freight delivers? Never again...
 
$500.00 out of Cleveland is ok for four skids not truckload though. I did a Cleveland to Cobourg a couple of weeks ago for $950.00 to the truck.
 
wow those type of people need to better sell the service to the customer, this is really why it went down so badly.

all sold on price and service that can't possibly be met...

had they communicated everything with transparency from A to Z then everyone involved would be on the up & up and no one would be in that situation...

we also have cleveland freight if anyone has a truck! lol
 
First off let me begin by saying there is NO SHORTAGE OF TRUCKS or DRIVERS. As for the rates offered carriers as said earlier JUST SAY NO. I've been watching the rates and most postings are pre 1965 rates. Don't kid yourself the customer isn't paying less, the gravy on the top is just thicker. If carriers large and small would increase rates they might sit a couple days then BOOM go like hell, but that'll never happen because of the trucking mentality of " Oh have to keep rolling". In all the years I've done this not once has it cost me less to go one way than the other so why should the rate be different? More than once I've bounced empty because the rate wasn't high enough. You can make more running empty than pulling for less than cost. I didn't start my business to get work I started to make money. Funny my trucks been parked since August and I'm making more than hauling the freight for rates I see posted.
 
My customers are paying less, and the gravy has been getting a little thinner lately too. A lot of shippers, especially the bigger ones, are well attuned to the market. They can smell an over supply of trucks like a shark can smell a drop of blood in a pool of water. Some have people on staff who do nothing but analyze how to take advantage of the ebb and flow of supply/demand. Please don't think for a moment that brokers are loving this situation.. the smarter ones among us have a vested interested in ensuring that our carrier base does well. When carriers drop out our ability to move freight also takes a hit. A smart broker thinks long-term and will do whatever possible to protect his/her carrier base.
 
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You all had to know I was going to weigh in on this topic :)

First of all, the marketplace is a little more complicated than it appears on the surface, and most of that has to do with the USD exchange rate. The current exchange situation is an indication that the economy is in a state of flux. Have you noticed that the cyclical northbound shipments on consumer goods has become more pronounced? Generally, in a 4 week month it is nothing, nothing, a little, and a lot, as far as freight volumes are concerned. The higher the exchange rate goes, the more pronounced this cycle becomes.

As mentioned earlier, carriers that feel they must make a certain margin on each and every load/leg/lane will go out of their minds trying to accomplish that goal. In this day and age, it is simply not possible. You have to be more attuned to what your truck is making per day, per week, per month, and per year. Miles are immaterial now. Hours are the key to the future, especially with ELDs on the way.

Keep in mind that I like brokers. Frankly, I believe they are the best value available for your sales budget dollar. Generally, I find that there are three types of brokers.

There are brokers, the ones I call quality brokers, that go to their carrier base, which is already a select section of carriers in general, and get a cross section of rates, along with volume commitments, and a sense of the marketplace in that area. They take an average, or medium, rate, add their mark up, and present that to the client, along with real world promises on services and capacities. These are the people we all like to work with the most, but we have to work hard to become part of the select few.

Then there are those brokers who go out and get rates from a bunch of carriers. They take the lowest rate, present it to their client as the rate for all carriers, and promise the world. Eventually they fail. However, the problem is that the client now believes that this rate is the rate by which all trucks should work. This makes a pretty big hurdle for quality brokers, and carriers, to jump over, but it can be done.

Lastly, there are the scumbag brokers. The unethical ones. I'm certain we all know who these people are. If you don't, you need to do some research (one of the prime reasons to belong to this board). There are only two reasons you should ever work for this type of broker;
1) You have come across a guaranteed opportunity to rip them off.
2) You fully intend to back door, and steal their freight. (It's the only time I ever advocate back-dooring, and no quality broker would ever fault you for it ... it's in their best interest too)
If you as a carrier are working for one of these people, for any reason other than the two mentioned above, you deserve every problem you get, and I for one have no sympathy for you.

There were also statements earlier along the lines of if you don't like the rates, then don't take the loads. That's an awful lot like saying if you don't like the prices at the grocery store, don't buy the food. That statement now sounds kind of silly when put that way doesn't it? What needs to be remembered is that the rent is still due at the end of each and every month, so unless you are independently wealthy, or have just won the lottery, your trucks and drivers need to go to work every day.

Carriers also need to look at broadening their horizons. While it is true that there is a general shortage of trucks and drivers, there are certain segments of the marketplace where there is an over supply. It stands to reason if there is an over supply in one area, there must be an under supply in another area. If you're in those over supply lanes, then start thinking about under supply lanes, or different equipment, or value added services. Think outside the box. Staying in your comfort zone, if it's in an over supply lane, will eventually spell disaster.

Finally, remember that Darwin is watching ... all day, every day.
 
The folks who say "don't take the load if the rate is too low" are really saying "don't take THAT load if the rate on THAT load is too low". Where possible pass on the load and move on to another. If I go to the store and the pot roast I want is too expensive I won't starve, at least not today. I will go to several other stores and then maybe downsize my dinner plans if need be.
 
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The folks who say "don't take the load if the rate is too low" are really saying "don't take THAT load if the rate on THAT load is too low". Where possible pass on the load and move on to another. If I go to the store and the pot roast I want is too expensive I won't starve, at least not today. I will go to several other stores and then maybe downsize my dinner plans if need be.

And that's exactly the point ... You take a cheap load today, a high priced load tomorrow, and two evenly priced loads the next two days. Each leg may not have been profitable, but at the end of the week you made a dollar.
The only minefield we carriers have to walk through is the that while this modus operandi change is taking place, every broker thinks their lane should be the cheap one. Eventually it will all sort itself out.
 
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.....Eventually it will all sort itself out.
Any predictions as to when this sorting out will happen? I'm not very optimistic that it will be anytime soon. When the last recession hit, everyone predicted things would sort out relatively quickly but as we all know, it didn't.
 
It's not a recession as much as it is a market readjustment, however, the short answer is probably when Iran has enough cash to restart their economy.
Our dollar is based on the price of oil which is currently low because Iran is dumping oil on the market to gather up cash quickly. The US economy is based on the popularity, or strength, of their dollar being the defacto standard currency of the world, ergo the difference between USD and CDN.
A prolonged war in the middle east that costs Iran money will prolong the low price of oil, and extend the USD/CDN gap. Some pundits have also predicted the price of oil will drop to $20.00 a barrel. I see it dipped to $38.50 today. That could widen the USD/CDN gap.
OPEC no longer has control over the price of oil, much the same as the UN no longer has control over world peace. Both toothless tigers.
All bets are off if Israel employs the Sampson Option.
 
As a small operator I don't worry about the macro side of things too much...I don't need thousands of loads a week to keep me going, and I guess that's one advantage to being a small business. There will always be a tug of war between supply and demand. For us its better to focus on what we can control.. The Swifts and the Werners of the world probably need to worry about trends and market imbalances and the Big Picture stuff a lot more than we do.. Forget about the market at large and focus on keeping your 10 or 20 or 30 trucks going.