Guaranteed delivery - What does it mean to you?

Just some interesting info on what the "Big Guys" call their "Guaranteed" service. Most charge around 30% on the base price and if they don't deliver by the "guaranteed" delivery date, you have to put a claim in to recoup the funds. There is also a stipulation that you can only claim the freight charges, no extras such as tailgate, etc. I think I even remember reading that they also do not pay back the fuel surcharge. I've never tried it, but I am assuming that if you did put a claim for this in, they would have a bunch of other things in their very fine print stating why they would not satisfy it. I am curious to know if anyone has ever tried this service, I believe it is offered by Fed Ex Freight, Estes, R&L, etc...
 
Years ago a large Canadian domestic carrier had a similar one which was "On Time or Free"
However, the only catch was that it was your next shipment that received the reduction of the freight charges for the late one.
So it worked out that you got 50% off 2 shipments instead of one free one.
 
It's a bit long but it's perfect about a "guarantee"


Sorry you will probably have to cut and paste it.
That's awesome, I am going to get our sales guy to bring this on sales calls and next time someone asks him if we offer a guaranteed service, he will play this! LOL!!!
 
We use Con-way's "G" Guaranteed service all the time for LTL shipments into the states. In a nutshell - if it's late...it's free (barring weather, acts of god etc). They've always lived up to their promise of free...although sometimes you need to send a couple of sternly worded e-mails to get them to agree that they screwed up.

As far as a carrier paying lost wages/downtime to installers etc...I'll echo what everyone else has already said...good luck.

When people call me looking for guaranteed service I'll usually offer a 50% rebate if the shipment is late...but it's very important to establish that upfront.
 
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We use Con-way's "G" Guaranteed service all the time for LTL shipments into the states. In a nutshell - if it's late...it's free (barring weather, acts of god etc). They've always lived up to their promise of free...although sometimes you need to send a couple of sternly worded e-mails to get them to agree that they screwed up.

As far as a carrier paying lost wages/downtime to installers etc...I'll echo what everyone else has already said...good luck.

When people call me looking for guaranteed service I'll usually offer a 50% rebate if the shipment is late...but it's very important to establish that upfront.

Well I guess I should have done that.. Now they are even later, who knows if they will make it today and want payment in full up front..
I love this business..
 
Sounds nice.....FTL = on time delivery. If a truck can suffer a breakdown loaded with many LTL shipments, how does shipping 1 FTL prevent a breakdown? Obviously it doesn't. The method chosen to ship has no effect on whether the shipment will arrive as promised, and the example in this case would still have been delayed even if it traveled all by it's lonesome. The question is, how much, if any compensation should the customer (broker) expect to receive from the carrier for the failure to deliver as promised? As we've hashed out over the past couple of days, it depends on what type of terms and conditions were written into, and onto, the Bill of Lading
 
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What FTL would do is eliminate a lot of excuses, another LTL shipment did not clear at the border or stuck at another delivery etc and then you could actually have a conversation about compensation but as we all have proven here LTL is a crap shoot at best to be on time to meet a crew. Can the truck break down absolutely and so could a lot of other things happen but you have eliminated most of the convenient "excuses".
 
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I have never understood why someone would take the chance with freight moving as LTL if it is time sensitive; the increased amount of potential issues as LTL instead of moving as TL are much higher (customs, other deliveries, insurance thresholds of the carrier etc). If something is so valuable to a client to be on site for a certain time then a truck load rate is pretty cheap insurance, I agree with Low Miler here. If we are expected to be somewhere without fail you are buying my truck; and the service should be sold this way. We are always worried about getting the cheapest rates it seems yet we have proof here on inside transport that usually if rates seem too good to be true they probably are, and there a lot of carriers that will tell you what you want to hear just to get the freight, and then mess it all up from there. How do brokers NOT have solid relationships with carriers they can trust to get something done on certain lanes. Brokers call us all the time when they NEED something done; we tell them IF we can do it; what we need to do it, and when we need to know by to make sure it gets done. (We probably say NO to more freight than we take in these situations simply because of capacity, not worth it to lie to someone for a good rate only to fail at the service) and because of that there is a trust we have with our brokers/customers). Relationships go along way with carriers; and if you think they don't then you are working with crappy carriers IMO. There are too many brokers out there right now that pick service based on lowest price which will get you in trouble with your customer at least half the time, you get what you pay for in this business and to tie back to this thread if you are moving expedite or guaranteed service then the term LTL should not be included in the discussion...
 
Sounds nice.....FTL = on time delivery. If a truck can suffer a breakdown loaded with many LTL shipments, how does shipping 1 FTL prevent a breakdown? Obviously it doesn't. The method chosen to ship has no effect on whether the shipment will arrive as promised, and the example in this case would still have been delayed even if it traveled all by it's lonesome. The question is, how much, if any compensation should the customer (broker) expect to receive from the carrier for the failure to deliver as promised? As we've hashed out over the past couple of days, it depends on what type of terms and conditions were written into, and onto, the Bill of Lading
That is very true. In this instance FTL / Expedite / Exclusive whatever you want to call it would not have changed a thing.
 
Hi Shawn,

Did you say that the carrier was missing the revised delivery ETA and also asking you to pay before delivery?
I read a number of the posts days ago, are you able to please tell us who this carrier is if you haven't already done so?
Keep well,
Mike

The FTL/LTL debate is pointless really when it comes to a provider that never really intends to service you to begin with. It's really too bad that there wasn't a stronger caliber carrier in the area, we all feel your pain here.
 
I have never understood why someone would take the chance with freight moving as LTL if it is time sensitive; the increased amount of potential issues as LTL instead of moving as TL are much higher (customs, other deliveries, insurance thresholds of the carrier etc). If something is so valuable to a client to be on site for a certain time then a truck load rate is pretty cheap insurance, I agree with Low Miler here. If we are expected to be somewhere without fail you are buying my truck; and the service should be sold this way. We are always worried about getting the cheapest rates it seems yet we have proof here on inside transport that usually if rates seem too good to be true they probably are, and there a lot of carriers that will tell you what you want to hear just to get the freight, and then mess it all up from there. How do brokers NOT have solid relationships with carriers they can trust to get something done on certain lanes. Brokers call us all the time when they NEED something done; we tell them IF we can do it; what we need to do it, and when we need to know by to make sure it gets done. (We probably say NO to more freight than we take in these situations simply because of capacity, not worth it to lie to someone for a good rate only to fail at the service) and because of that there is a trust we have with our brokers/customers). Relationships go along way with carriers; and if you think they don't then you are working with crappy carriers IMO. There are too many brokers out there right now that pick service based on lowest price which will get you in trouble with your customer at least half the time, you get what you pay for in this business and to tie back to this thread if you are moving expedite or guaranteed service then the term LTL should not be included in the discussion...

And that is why I asked for and agreed to a higher LTL rate for the guarantee it would be there on time. I see no difference in paying for a full truck or you make mine first drop LTL.
 
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I seem to detect a bit of "blame the victim" in some of the latest posts on this topic. I suppose one could argue that JNS-shawn would have been slightly better served had he booked the shipment as a truckload. But as the outcome in this case demonstrates, it would have made no difference at all. The delay to delivery was not caused by customs, delays in unloading other shipments on the truck, or any of the other problems inherent in LTL freight movements. Did the carrier anticipate a breakdown?, probably not as he had nothing to gain from it. Let's face it, every time a shipper or broker entrusts a shipment to a carrier, there is a chance that something will go wrong. Delivery delay, freight damage, a host of things can happen regardless of how large or how small the agreed rate is. My take away from all this discussion is, deal with trustworthy, knowledgeable carriers with whom you have developed a good working relationship. Also, if there is anything, and by that I mean anything that is outside of the scope of the provisions of the Standard Bill of Lading, you must have it included, initialed and completely understood by all parties if you expect any type of compensation if things go wrong.
 
What FTL would do is eliminate a lot of excuses, another LTL shipment did not clear at the border or stuck at another delivery etc and then you could actually have a conversation about compensation but as we all have proven here LTL is a crap shoot at best to be on time to meet a crew. Can the truck break down absolutely and so could a lot of other things happen but you have eliminated most of the convenient "excuses".
Yeah, LTL appointment freight is a crap shoot. Guaranteed delivery should mean you're not going to make 4-5 stops on the way. You add your 4-5 stops after. And if that doesn't work for you then you don't take the freight.
 
Hi Shawn,
The FTL/LTL debate is pointless really when it comes to a provider that never really intends to service you to begin with. It's really too bad that there wasn't a stronger caliber carrier in the area, we all feel your pain here.
Unfortunately there are loads of carriers I could have dealt with for this, but I had dealt with this carrier before at a different company and have not had a chance to match anything up with them since. When this opportunity came up I was happy to give an old carrier some business finally.

Concerning your first comment abuot which carrier, I prefer not to bad mouth them too much because unfortunately I do understand where they are coming from with so many people in this industry think its ok to refuse payment because the driver had a yellow shirt on or some other stupid reason. Especially with that stupid (yet entertaining) TV show where it seems every single shipment is "Not on time not paying" and no it's not ready to ship yet.

So far it seems we have come to an understanding, hopefully freight will be delivered and they will be paid for a regular LTL charge based on 3 other prices I had.
 
So far it seems we have come to an understanding, hopefully freight will be delivered and they will be paid for a regular LTL charge based on 3 other prices I had.

I'm happy to see that you and the carrier have come to an understanding. Much preferred to have performed what was contracted and received full compensation, but when things go sideways coming to a fair agreement is second best.

Keep well,
Mike

Back to the original post - 'Guaranteed' is a curse word that will cost you $1 in this office, it's ok it goes to the food bank...