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There is an interesting read on the CBC News website this morning regarding Driver Inc. Really nothing new or earth shattering in their report other than outlining what the Federal government plans on doing to address the situation. If nothing else, at least keeping this issue in the public eye is beneficial. As we have all agreed, enforcement and stiff penalties are crucial to stamping out this illegal and harmful labour practice.
 
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There is an interesting read on the CBC News website this morning regarding Driver Inc. Really nothing new or earth shattering in their report other than outlining what the Federal government plans on doing to address the situation. If nothing else, at least keeping this issue in the public eye is beneficial. As we have all agreed, enforcement and stiff penalties are crucial to stamping out this illegal and harmful labour practice.
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tasuinam said:
Two of my trucks got pulled over last week returning from AB .... and the MTO officer asked them what their status was in Canada AND if they got taxes deducted from their paychecks... something to that effect to confirm they were employees ... never had that happen
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Doesn't this sound like profiling? How would they know if they said yes I have taxes deducted?
 
tasuinam said:
Two of my trucks got pulled over last week returning from AB .... and the MTO officer asked them what their status was in Canada AND if they got taxes deducted from their paychecks... something to that effect to confirm they were employees ... never had that happen
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That's interesting.

We'll have to wait to see what happens I guess. Up to now the Liberals haven't had much of an appetite to change anything with respect to Driver Inc

I'm not real good at math... but when your country operates on taxpayers dollars and one demographic isn't contributing... I mean it's pretty easy to see the problem... even for me.
 
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artmax said:
In terms of Driver Inc -

I pay my drivers an average of 2300-2600 CAD a week - every week - 50 weeks of the year.

Can anyone on this forum match that?

I heard someone of you still pay 32 cents a mile and provide free sunglasses and shirts as benefits then come on the forum talking about fair pay.

The biggest issue in our industry is overseas brokerages and “whatapp groups” that double and triple broker out loads.
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As driver inc? 100-110 a year depending on driver as we all know some work more than others. Van freight on the books and home weekends.
 
Does anyone actually believe that in getting rid of Drivers Inc. that the rates will sky rocket? Whether you agree or disagree with Drivers Inc. companies will always undercut each other to stay afloat. I have always heard the term " Level Playing Field" when it came to Speed limiters and E logs. These were implemented and nothing changed. Any one that undercuts will attempt to survive day to day and hope it works out in the long term. The trucking landscape of big transport companies going belly up proves no one is safe!
 
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Does anyone actually believe that in getting rid of Drivers Inc. that the rates will sky rocket? Whether you agree or disagree with Drivers Inc. companies will always undercut each other to stay afloat. I have always heard the term " Level Playing Field" when it came to Speed limiters and E logs. These were implemented and nothing changed. Any one that undercuts will attempt to survive day to day and hope it works out in the long term. The trucking landscape of big transport companies going belly up proves no one is safe!
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Getting rid of Driver Inc. in theory will eliminate the carriers that run cheap as they will have to pay market rate to their drivers, along with payroll taxes, benefits, etc. They will not be able to run at half price like they have been and will either have to stop taking cheap freight, or go out of business. Most of the reason rates are so horrible right now is because the market is saturated with get rich quick covid era startup carriers that take advantage of cheap labor and loopholes. More trucks than freight=cheap rates. More freight than trucks? I remember what happened during the protests.. TQL offering me 5 grand from Detroit to Windsor.
 
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Getting rid of Driver Inc. in theory will eliminate the carriers that run cheap as they will have to pay market rate to their drivers, along with payroll taxes, benefits, etc. They will not be able to run at half price like they have been and will either have to stop taking cheap freight, or go out of business. Most of the reason rates are so horrible right now is because the market is saturated with get rich quick covid era startup carriers that take advantage of cheap labor and loopholes. More trucks than freight=cheap rates. More freight than trucks? I remember what happened during the protests.. TQL offering me 5 grand from Detroit to Windsor.
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I agree, the issue is not with the payment to Driver Inc; if everyone is paid properly and CRA goes after each and every Driver Inc for the income taxes and CPP it would level the field but that is not happening. Instead, we are seeing carriers not pay Driver Inc by the 10's of thousands of dollars - leaving them on the lurch for months and telling them to get a lawyer to sue them. A carrier who doesn't pay one driver inc for a month can easily hold over $7500. I sure can last a long time if only one of my $7500 expenses disappeared. This just creates the ability to lower prices and do it again to another Driver Inc.
One doesn't have to go far to see some of these driver protests outside of a carrier owner's house holding a sign of being owed 20k or even 40k. The carriers who utilize Driver Inc know that Driver Inc probably will not proceed to obtain a lawyer and if they do, they will negotiate some cents on the dollar which the Driver Inc will gladly take because it's something. The problem will get fixed when Driver Inc forces the carrier to pay by not taking the next load before payment or not delivering the next load before payment. But alas, that comes with its own consequences. My guess is that some of these carriers that are going bankrupt has just run out of Driver Inc opportunities and need to bankrupt and start over with a different name.
 
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