Crazy rate but I booked it anyway because I had to

Without getting into a discussion about where rates should or should not be, why don't we examine why carriers have been accepting the low rates described by Rob and Michael above? There is no excuse for any broker to purposely offer a ridiculously low rate if they could afford to pay more. But is there any excuse for a carrier to willingly accept such a low number? My point is, who is to blame here? The person offering, or the person accepting?

Determining the answer to that question is a lot like cutting off your hand with a chain saw then arguing over which tooth made the 1st cut. The short answer is we are all responsible for the state of the industry to some degree.

I doubt anyone becomes a carrier or a broker to break even, that said competition is fierce in many lanes and way too many people have lost sight of the fact that the only product we have to sell is service, so instead bidding the lane becomes a limbo dance as we fight over how low we can go. And I have no doubt that although rates were a lot higher across the board prior to deregulation, industry will no doubt use these increased rates to justify price hikes whether pricing stays high or not.
 
Without getting into a discussion about where rates should or should not be, why don't we examine why carriers have been accepting the low rates described by Rob and Michael above? There is no excuse for any broker to purposely offer a ridiculously low rate if they could afford to pay more. But is there any excuse for a carrier to willingly accept such a low number? My point is, who is to blame here? The person offering, or the person accepting?

It is simple supply and demand.

Since 2004, except for a very short blip on a northbound load about 3 years ago, there has been more trucks than freight. The guy paying for the freight can mass email blast his load to a number of brokers who then strip the senders name off and forward it to all the carriers in their system. There was very little discussion about obtaining a good carrier who can do the lane consistently and to be honest, why would they. If the opportunity presented itself to make an additional buck off of a carrier who would lower their price because the freight fit their process this one time they'd do it. I cannot count the times that I was asked from brokers and customers for our 'absolute best price' only to find that when they put my price in the excel spreadsheet and sort it I was not the top person. In the end, freight rates are at a level that is barely above the minimum that anyone will take the freight. Basically this process over time have matured the spot market as the only way to move freight.

Carriers have been moving freight at a very tight margin for years. Any additional costs, for the most part, was expected to be absorbed by the carrier. (Border detention, additional wait time, straps, bars, etc) In a spot market any additional costs such as fuel, drivers wages, insurance, took a long time to work its way through the system.

Now, for a number of reasons, (ELD, strong economy, driver shortage, weather, insurance spike, fill in the blank here______, etc) there is more freight than trucks. Those carriers who use the spot market are getting calls left right and center. Carriers no longer have to take the freight offered to them at the rate that it was done for last time. Carriers do not have to wait anymore for a broker to call their customer to see if the freight is available because some other customer will have cost effective freight somewhere that is feasible to commit to and move the truck.

Supply and demand will keep things in check. I'm sure that the reasons pushing the freight rates will subside and rates will stabilize. It only has to be a small percentage of excess freight or excess trucks to swing the prices dramatically. Remember it has only been this way for 3 weeks. If it was the other way around with no freight; trucks would just sit idle as they have done many times in the past - only for that cost to be absorbed by the carrier. In the meantime, I'm real happy that I can have a candid discussion with my customers about what drives the costs and how they have taken advantage of the spot market for a very long time.
 
We have a lot of loads to go to PA we had a carrier today say that he would give us a truck Next Tuesday (1 week from today) and he would need $2,000 but if he got a better offer before that he would drop our load. I laughed at first but who knows what next week will bring (kidding would not do it).

This is totally understandable as far as capacity is concerned. As of this morning we have every unit booked outbound right up until Feb. 6th and the phones haven't let up.
 

Ironically I just happened to see the following on Linkedin this morning:

Sam Samra
Pannu Brothers Transport

Due to ELD in trucks consumers will be paying at least 10% all retail products, it will make a big impact in April when all carrier have to follow ELD mandate. April is start of season all produce from California , Arizona, Texas, Florida is at peak of harvest time, all summer products start getting ready to pick like Water melons, Melons, Cantaloupes, Limes, Lemons, Peaches, Plum, Oranges, etc. there are the extra loads always start just 1st week of April. as per my 26 year hauling produce this April will be different than all the rest.
customer must hire liable carrier as soon as possible. should not trust who can cancel the load at the last minute. some customer paid 30 to 35 % extra in mid December and January already. i am assuming rates from California to Toronto or New York will be around $12000.00 USD per truck. rate will be $3.75 per mile even for dry vans, Reefers will be hard to find to buy or for rent. this will be very hard to find a truck,
Some big carriers have ELD from last 20 years in their truck. but they were brokering out tough loads like multiple drops or deliveries next day, now small carriers will be looking for easy freight they will void to to tough loads to save their hours,
Sam Samra
 
Last year, when Trump was elected, I was almost sure that I should have been smarter about developing my sales.. namely I should have built my business around shippers/receivers in my home jurisdiction of Ontario. Now, given the tight market for trucks here, I'm glad I've got customers all over. Market doesn't appear quite so tight in the Southeast/Southwest US..
 
One of our suppliers had to pay $4500 US St. Louis into Ohio, they are feeling the pinch inside the US also.
 
Define a moderate increase. Define gouging.
By the sounds of it, you are a broker. It well known around here that I am all for brokers.
That being said, if you are broker and you have been used to flogging loads out for $1.20 a mile, and carriers now want $3.00 a mile, you're going to consider that gouging. What you are not taking into account is that you (and I don't necessarily mean you personally) have been gouging the carrier base for as long as you have been offering the $1.20/mile loads. Depending on the carrier's structure, cost is somewhere between $2.25 and $2.45 a mile.
So, moderate increases and gouging are a matter of perspective.
Maybe a case could be made that common sense has already returned.

7-9 $ a mile Is gouging hard
I was asked for 2400$ for a run just under 300 miles .. and they were in the same city as the pickup location.
 
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So what are carriers charging these from GTA to Houston, TX area ? Haven't ran that lane for a while now, just wanted to update myself
 
As I have said to one of our largest customers, a world wide corporation, " what do you want, a database full of low cost rates, or your product on a truck enroute to your customer"? Right now you cannot have both. Amazing how our rates a few months ago were" too high"' and now they are asking how soon and how many trucks can you get for us? It is definitely a different world.
 
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I don't know.. for some reason Texas is a desired destination from almost anywhere it seems..
 
7-9 $ a mile Is gouging hard
I was asked for 2400$ for a run just under 300 miles .. and they were in the same city as the pickup location.
we are experiencing the same stupidity here, I am telling these dispatchers that they are lucky they don't have their own direct customers as they would never ask for these outrageous rates but the 3PL's are an easy mark to them. I get it, rates are up and we do pay fairly but I refuse to be held hostage, we have always paid fair and as someone else mentioned on this forum, we are keeping a list and a reckoning will come :)
 
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7-9 $ a mile Is gouging hard
I was asked for 2400$ for a run just under 300 miles .. and they were in the same city as the pickup location.
You simply said it was a 300 mile trip. From where to where is important. If it's not a strong backhaul area, then your 300 mile trip becomes a 600 mile trip because your carrier is going to do it as a rounder. We're down to $4.00 a mile now.
You didn't mention anything about the time it would take to do the load. Is it like 6 hours to load it and 6 hours to unload it? That's important as well. Overall, maybe your carrier is going to wrap 24 hours into getting this job done for you. At a hundred bucks an hour that's pretty reasonable. I'd charge you $165.00 an hour.

Get that per mile crap out of your head ... TIME ... everything is now about TIME.

Assuming all things are equal, where it's a quick on/quick off load going from Toronto to Pittsburgh where it's fairly easy to get a return load, gouging is one word to use to describe that rate, but here's a better description ...
That is what's called a F*CK-OFF rate. Every shipper, receiver, 3PL, broker, and carrier world-wide, if they are doing their job correctly, has a special page in his or her ledger for people who supply F*UCK-OFF rates. Get my drift ???