Cheap Freight of the Day

I got the best one, I was quoting on a FTL, light weight, from Toronto to Richmond, BC... The guy said he was offerred $600 , yes you read right; I said to the guy, it does not even cover the cost of fuel between Toronto and MB, Even by rail it ican't be done for that price. If someone was crazy enough to move his freight,even as LTL for tht price, it has become absolutely ridiculous. Maybe it's time to get out...
 
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Haha, as a broker if some poor carrier quoted me 600.00 for a FTL from ON- BC, I would ask him if he was high.

Oh and if any brokers or carriers would give someone that price, they should be shot.
Sorry for the harsh words but that's just crazy.
 
I had one where I quoted a crazy price back 12-13 years ago. I had a fever of 103 and was sick as a dog. Dad and my brother where in Florida so I was the only shot in the office. Some broker called and wanted a full load rate out of Green Bay. I apparently quoted $450. They called back on the Monday and asked if I could do the load for that rate and did not even remember the conversation. They got all pissy with me saying I had to live up to my quote etc. I asked to speak to the owner of the brokerage as to have a chance to explain the situation. the owner and I came to a mutually beneficial agreement and we did the load for them,
 
$754.00?
They wouldn't even round it up to an even number?
I love it when you are offered a cheap rate on LTL and they say "C'mon, you are going there anyway!
I tried that once with a bus driver. It was a long walk home...............
 
I'm so glad we don't have clients that offer us freight at those rates..... let alone one of our staff calling a carrier and offering that kind of rate... my problems seems very miniscule compared with those with national or international coverage....

Our cheap rate of the day... client wanted a 53' 35k floor loaded product... load and go... Bradford to Niagara Falls with 2 drops... one being the fallsview casino... told us that their freight broker didn't have coverage today or tomorrow.... 4 hours after intended pickup time today.... asked if we would consider moving their twice weekly load for $300 bux, the same rate they pay their broker... guess what our answer was... NO!!! NEVER!!! I really wonder how a broker in the GTA covers these for $300 bux... and what carrier accepts them.
 
Sometimes if it's too good to be true, maybe it is?

It's been a few years since I was in sales but I do recall some clients advising what they were paying 'other companies'. I found when we dig a little deeper, we're either not comparing apples to apples or if I asked to be shown an invoice it never materialized. Of course, in the end we got the business anyway.

The rate below needs to at minimum double. Just saying.

Keep well,
Mike
 
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The old... "Let me see your freight invoices for this lane, and I'll see what I can put together".. guess what never got the invoices..... Definitely too good to be true...
 
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Loaders,

The low rates are everywhere coming in.. Just to put it simply.. It does not matter where you go right now brokers are cutting what they are paying. Everywhere on all inbound van and reefer that I have seen.


Freightbroker is just trying to egg everybody on. Proof is in the pudding thanks for clarifying it for everyone there freightbroker.

Carriers are also dropping their pants just to keep busy. We have US domestic accounts and recently had the customer come back to notify us that a house carrier was dropping their rates and we needed to follow suit.... I also receive regular calls that go like this, how much did you cover it for, I'll do it for $200 less?! My answer now is that I either don't tell them the price or kindly remind them that I covered it already. Sure the scum bags are out there being crazy on both sides, sure carriers are tightening their belts, and brokers too. But let's not pretend that the brokers are completely in control of the market, and that customers and most of all carriers aren't also playing a part good, bad or otherwise. My rates were forced down by a carrier, not another broker, not the market. Someone blatantly trying to win over parts of my business. Carriers are trying to screw other carriers out of freight daily, and to top it all off TQL keeps calling us asking if we need help!!! LOL desperate times my friend.
 
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The truth of the matter is you find out just how good of a relationship you have with your customer whether you are a broker or a carrier. Yes you have to keep up with market conditions but that should already be taken care of by a FSC charge. But if you truly have that "relationship" they will not ask you to cut your rates drastically or it is not truly a "relationship".
 
We all want to buy beef at .50/lb but we know that's not going to happen... shippers need to be made aware that if they keep asking to bring down the rates they are going to have a hard time finding trucks eventually. They wouldn't sell their product at a 'break even' price nor would they sell it for less than it costs them to produce it... that's what many of them are expecting from carriers... We're getting offered $1900 GA to ON this week... doesn't cover cost...
 
As a freight broker I always told my clients that my rates to them would always be based on market conditions and carrier availability. Most shippers utilized my services not because I was cheap, but because I could find them carriers in areas that they did not have relationships with. They knew that the rate offered today might be more or less than the rate a month ago. When they were told that I could move the order today however it would be a little higher cost than the last one due to a number of different reasons it was rarely an issue. They just wanted to get it done, simple as that.
The problem is some shippers think that the last rate they paid is now the maximum rate allowed by law regardless of market conditions, availability or the current cost of fuel. The other problem is some 3pl's would rather try to find a carrier who will move it for a less than desirable rate in order to avoid telling his customer that they need more money to move it with a proven carrier due to whatever reason applies at the time.
As long as carriers are responding to rate quotes with " what are you offering" instead of this is what I need, the problem will never go away.
 
Shippers are well aware that if they keep asking for lower rates they will run out of trucks ... but ... that's tomorrow, not today. When the time comes that they have no option but to pay, they will pay, but again, that's tomorrow, not today. Shippers are not responsible for your business, nor do they even care about your business. As long as someone will do it for cheap, shippers have leverage. Whether carriers allow shippers to use that leverage, or not, is up to carriers.

What carriers really need to understand is where they are in the grand scheme of things. Transportation is roughly one third of product cost (give or take a bit depending on product value) so when shipper go looking to decrease cost, they look at the biggest cost target ... transportation. Carriers need to be able to explain and defend their charges for no other reason than shippers typically have zero understanding of what it takes to run as a carrier.

Think about it this way ... Widgets are sold for $5.00 each. They only cost $0.50 to make. There are 1,000 widgets on a load. The load value is $5,000.00 and it only cost the shipper $500.00 to make them. Transportation is $1,900.00 to get them to market. The shipper is still making $2,600.00 on that load. Shippers make sure their freight is insured one way or another, so even if Super-Duper Lowball Carriers Inc. tanks the load, the shipper (under Carmack) still gets his $5,000.00 for the widgets. So, what is the shipper out by using bottom feeder carriers? ... absolutely nothing. In certain instances, like the market goes soft for widgets, it is actually advantageous for the shipper to use bottom feeder carriers in the hopes that they actually do tank the load ... it's a guaranteed sale. Properly used (abused), carrier insurance companies can be a shipper's best customer.

Of course that's an extreme example, and I know for a fact that it has happened, but the point is, it's a cold, cold world out there and you need to know how to dress for the weather.
 
Yesterday and tomorrow don't matter ... Today is the only day that counts.
Logic and fairness have nothing to do with anything.

Riddle me this ... yesterday you went to the store and bought an apple for 50 cents. Today you would like to buy another so you go back to the store. Today's price is 40 cents for that apple. How much would you pay for the apple?
 
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Yesterday and tomorrow don't matter ... Today is the only day that counts.
Logic and fairness have nothing to do with anything.

Riddle me this ... yesterday you went to the store and bought an apple for 50 cents. Today you would like to buy another so you go back to the store. Today's price is 40 cents for that apple. How much would you pay for the apple?
not sure that works in my brain as a comparison. I get what your are saying. but... I have a hard time swallowing it