Cheap Freight of the Day

Absolutely what you're saying makes sense. However, by the time it hits Link, you've already exhausted your $600 (3 or 4 providers) and what you now have is alternate options. Can't blame a dispatcher for trying to sell for their same budget and in fact I'd hope that the majority of the time it gets sold on budget, but if someone calls in and their rate is $50 off budget it's worth considering, no? If one person states their rate and then the other person hangs up it's wasted time for both parties.

Keep well,
Mike
 
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yeah for sure if the $600 guys are not there when we need them then yeah you post it and look around, but we can't be blamed for thinking the lane should pay around $600 and not around $1000.

we've moved freight so often at $600 that we are convinced $600 is the price.

p.s. $600 and $1000 are fictional numbers on a fictional lane, just for example, please don't call me to yell at me about this lol
 
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loaders said:
With all of the posts lately about cheap freight and the brokers offering it, perhaps it is time for those outfits to be named on this site. Instead of a generic post about X dollars from A to B, tell us who is offering such a rate.
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I don't see any similarity. Bad service is somebody not living up to their commitment...a low rate is somebody being up-front.
 
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Agree completely. Poor service is indeed not living up to what you said you would do. A cheap rate no matter how low, can be seen as being upfront, regardless of how ridiculous it might be. I thought it might be useful to the members on this site to know who these low ballers are. It would be interesting to find out for example, if there are carriers who sell off their "excess" loads at rates that are below market value, or if those activities are confined strictly to brokers.
 
low rates on one lane doesn't mean low rates across the board, plus if they are simply used to paying that amount then why are they bad brokers?!?!
seems brokers & carriers alike can get a really bad rep really fast when people let their fingers fly over the keyboard without thinking twice about the consequences of their actions for other people.
2-3 late pickups, 2-3 cheap freight offerings, this does not make for a bad carrier or a bad broker, simply bad luck, bad timing, or tough financial times!
 
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In my experience, transport is one industry where the rate doesn't necessarily reflect the level of service. And personally, whether it's moving on our own trucks or being brokered, I look at the situation from a round trip perspective ... and it's driven by trade imbalances more than anything else. That said, I know over the past couple of months the market hasn't been so good and there are definitely players taking advantage of this.
 
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Salma said:
Like I mentioned in a different post, many carriers have SAID they are going to increase their outbound rates but how many actually have? We have, but clearly many have not.
By the way, it was Slingshot.
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not a surprise. And he will negotiate with you and agree on more. But, rest assured, he will pay you what he said in the first place. He deducts because you said good morning to him...
 
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Agree completely. Poor service is indeed not living up to what you said you would do. A cheap rate no matter how low, can be seen as being upfront, regardless of how ridiculous it might be. I thought it might be useful to the members on this site to know who these low ballers are. It would be interesting to find out for example, if there are carriers who sell off their "excess" loads at rates that are below market value, or if those activities are confined strictly to brokers.
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Not to many carriers have anything extra to sell these days. More and more they want to pay what they pay their O/Os but without the benefits of lower fuel prices and advantageous insurance prices etc...
 
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I am also surprised when people would rather come home empty

Can someone nicely explain to me why they would rather roll back empty than take something that would at least cover some costs?
 
ShawnR said:
I am also surprised when people would rather come home empty

Can someone nicely explain to me why they would rather roll back empty than take something that would at least cover some costs?
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takes away the issues that could be encountered waiting at shipper, receiver, paying city delivery, customs issues causing deeper loss than just getting guy and truck home. as well ethics, why let someone else make good on your hard work that is not paid for.
 
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ShawnR said:
I am also surprised when people would rather come home empty

Can someone nicely explain to me why they would rather roll back empty than take something that would at least cover some costs?
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Principle Shawn. If some load pimp is really quoting freight that only pays $1600 on 1250 miles, I personally would come home empty before giving them the satisfaction of knowing they bent me over and gave it to me with no Vaseline. $1.27 a mile loaded does not even cover cost and why drag his probably heavier than hell load all through the hills etc for that joke of a rate.

A rate like that is a complete insult to a trucking company and one that any broker with any ethics at all would tell a client to shove up his ass. $2000 out of the area seems to be the going rate and if Bill at ATO wants to set a new lowball standard he can do it with someone else.

It was load Monday so maybe I should of booked it given him a bunch of shitty lies about truck breaking down load tomorrow etc until he could not find a truck and maybe he would lose the customer and get put out of business as with rates like that we don't need him.
 
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ShawnR said:
I am also surprised when people would rather come home empty

Can someone nicely explain to me why they would rather roll back empty than take something that would at least cover some costs?
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because G. Roch, we don't want to encourage you guys in offering and then, us taking, rates that are an insult to us. Even you are on other threads telling us we just have to refuse if the rate doesn't please us... If we let them cover that run for such a ridiculous rate, the next time they'll be offering $1400. The only way we can stop this is to not take the load and come home empty. As long as we are going to run at a loss, we may as well do it empty. Helps us save on fuel consuption. See you all next melon season :D
 
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There are always one or two companies out there that week after week, year after year, are offering the same low rate for the same garbage freight. Maybe the receiver isn't in a big rush to get it, so they can sit on it for a day or two until someone desperate needs to get their truck home and takes it. So, in the short term a truck earned $1.27 a mile and maybe covered at least their fuel, but it sets the stage for pricing. Then next week another poor soul takes their garbage. Like Rob was insinuating, they are trying to make a living by preying on those poor souls. We do short runs, so I would much rather just drive by that garbage empty and come home. At least I don't have waiting time at either end, delays due to customs brokers, risk slow payment, etc. I have a few times picked up one single skid for a decent broker rather than take a load of garbage from another.
 
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ATO Logistics does not appear to be registered with FMCSA as a broker, or at least not under that name. I know that there are quite a few carriers on this site that don't seem to give much importance to that broker registration, and it certainly doesn't guarantee that the rates offered will be any better, but at least you know you're partnering with someone who has gone to the trouble and expense of being serious about their chosen profession.
 
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I didn't mean to insult anyone, just inquiring on how this $0 return made more sense than bringing back something.

I get it though, if you sit at both ends, if it craps out at the border, if it's heavy, then yeah I see how coming back empty might get you back on another good load faster, AKA aking more money

Happy Holidays everyone!!
 
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ShawnR said:
I didn't mean to insult anyone, just inquiring on how this $0 return made more sense than bringing back something.

I get it though, if you sit at both ends, if it craps out at the border, if it's heavy, then yeah I see how coming back empty might get you back on another good load faster, AKA aking more money

Happy Holidays everyone!!
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It becomes a matter of time value Shawn. If the load value is really only enough to cover my time loading and unloading it, then it really is of no value to me ... if I don't spend the time loading and unloading it, then I am still only losing the same amount of money running empty, however, I have managed to put my truck back in position to garner some real freight ... the kind that makes money ... and gained a revenue day as opposed to losing a revenue day by taking freight that just doesn't pay.
 
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