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I often ask my carriers what their top reason for demanding more $$$/mile is, the good ones say that it's to improve their operations and services. While the bad ones say they want to just make more $$$$ hehe.
You also have to realize that the small companies don't get all of the discounts that the larger carriers get. We pay pretty much full price at the pump, the tires and repairs are also at full price. We can't self insure... But, for the most part, the quality of our work is well worth the extra cost:D
 
Well then, companies better be getting $4.00/mile and us brokers would be pushed out of the equation.
Why does it take $4.00 a mile to pay a driver $5,500.00 a month?
I am assuming by "brokers" you mean load brokers and not owner-operators. Transportation, as it exists today, cannot be managed without load brokers.
 
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I assumed the opposite, Startek meant owner operators not load brokers. I also assumed that he meant that if rates got high enough carriers would run company trucks exclusively and get rid of 'brokers" If that was the point I disagree since owner operators tend to be more profitable for many reasons, higher rates would just mean higher returns.
(getting off topic I know)
 
. Transportation, as it exists today, cannot be managed without load brokers.

Why? Not to cause a shit storm but if there where no brokers (which will never happen as their are brokers in every industry) all the carriers would have the freight to trade amongst themselves.. Carriers would have a asset division and a freight division just as most of the bigger guys do at this point.
 
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So, there would still be brokers, just brokers operating in the same building or office as the carrier division. Why is there this conception (or misconception) that a carrier who sells their customers freight, is somehow different than an entity whose only job is to sell his customer's freight. They both do the same thing, and from what I see on this site, there are as many examples of poor payment by the carrier/brokers as there are by the stand alone brokers. Rob, you used the term "trade" amongst themselves. By that, do you mean there would be no mark-up or profit generated by this "trade"?
 
Ahhhh, but that's what so great about this site. At the end of the day, we all do get along. Hell, Rob probably has some of my freight onboard right now, or has in the past. Just think how boring life would be if we all thought the same way about things.
 
So, there would still be brokers, just brokers operating in the same building or office as the carrier division. Why is there this conception (or misconception) that a carrier who sells their customers freight, is somehow different than an entity whose only job is to sell his customer's freight. They both do the same thing, and from what I see on this site, there are as many examples of poor payment by the carrier/brokers as there are by the stand alone brokers. Rob, you used the term "trade" amongst themselves. By that, do you mean there would be no mark-up or profit generated by this "trade"?


Of course there would be profit made on the trades and yes it is a brokerage division. The major difference is everyone would have assets in the game not some bond that is not worth what I just spent on a couple dry van trailers.
I work with some great brokers and carriers and we work together to get freight delivered to the customers. My excess freight is sold at a margin same as a broker as is freight brokered to me.

I just wondered why Michael said that carriers could not do it with out brokers. It did not compute in my head. A shipper looking to move freight would call a carrier or send out email blasts like most of them do now on the very freight brokers at bidding on.

Service and my glowing charm and personality is all I have to sell a customer on be it a broker or direct.
 
I agree with Michael. Brokers are a necessary evil to put parties in the market together --- particularly the smaller ones, meaning smaller shippers or those with infrequent lanes and smaller carriers. The larger shippers out there have a use for brokers but to handle generally a small portion of their freight. Larger carriers have the sales force to create a significant direct customer base to fill their equipment. But the reality is that the market consists overwhelmingly of smaller players and smaller volume lanes.

There is another posting here about something to do with Loadlink contests. Generally, the larger a broker is, the less they will use load boards to move their freight as a proportion of their overall business.

Also ... the reason why companies choose one company over another has to do with value and not price ... price has to be correct but not earth-shattering. There is usually underlying value that isn't seen on the transactional value that causes a shipper to use a certain carrier partner as a vendor.

The general trend of the industry is for larger players to offer multi-faceted services that mix non-asset based services with services that are asset-based of some sort. Whether it is equipment, IT infrastructure, or warehousing ....
 
I have a question for the carriers out there that also broker freight in relation to the "are broker's needed" discussion below and the point made by Rob that things would be improved if there where no non-asset based brokers; If a client called you to quote and book freight in one of your asset lanes, but you did not have the capacity, would you broker that freight out to one of your competitors that compete in that lane?
 
The point is....if asset based carriers could service every need of all the shippers in todays marketplace, then yes, there would be no need for stand alone freight brokers. Unfortunately (or fortunately for me and my fellow brokers), they can't, or in some cases won't. Shippers don't have the time or the inclination to spend hours on the telephone or send numerous e-mails, detailing their daily/weekly requirements to 10's of different trucking companies, in the hope that one of them can provide the service. One call to a professional freight broker and their problem is solved. Theman is correct in saying that smaller shippers benefit the most by using freight brokers, but also how a freight broker can play a role in the transportation structure of a much larger shipper. That describes my firm perfectly. A solid base of repeat small to mid sized shippers, with 2 or 3 much larger, multinationals using us for specific, irregular lanes.
 
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Brokers are a necessary evil perhaps, and transportation as a whole is a necessary evil. Customers would much rather have all of their own customers and suppliers close at hand to minimize the need for transport. And "pure brokers" are generally asset based also.. although those assets aren't in the form of trucks. If they employ people they need office space with facilities. Very few of us are completely "assetless" although, dammit.. I come pretty close to that working out of my basement office. For the most part I focus on freight that asset based carriers cannot handle on their own (unless they too broker). For example, a load that requires interline with one or two carriers. Or a load that involves truck and rail or maybe ocean. I try to avoid freight that is best suited to carriers.. i.e. freight that moves from A to B on a regular basis. You know that after two or three moves your services as a broker become redundant as carrier and shipper can get along without you in the middle.
 
Interesting discussion here today; I don't think that the answer is to eliminate brokers from the equation. As a carrier primarily, that brokers a very small amount of customer freight when we cannot move ourselves, where I see a lot of frustration in our operations is when we see little value being added by a broker for their service. Examples of this are deliveries with no dock/fork lift etc., no phone numbers, inaccurate pick up or delivery info, bad customs broker info, inaccurate ready times etc. When we move freight with another carrier of ours (Us as the broker), we confirm all information from our customer prior to selling the freight to another carrier, just as if we were sending our own truck on the move, all in advance of booking a truck to try and avoid any surprises or miss-communications. I am not saying this is a broker only problem, we get bad info from some carriers as well we work with, but my point is brokers make sense where value can be added to the freight movement, and good information is a big part of this process (In particular with LTL mostly for us). I think that with the amount of infrastructure we put in place over the years as a carrier to meet "broker" demands we now have ability to offer similar value added services to customers direct. Just like carriers, there are quality and poor brokers and we will need both for the foreseeable future, what needs to adjust is the value added by "some" brokers. Standard business payment terms are 30 days, yet our broker payments are about 50% over 60 days, often into 90 days; as a broker to a carrier I think you should be aware of the fact that if you pay your bills in 30 days or less, as a general rule, a quality carrier would prefer to work with you each time (And help to avoid the carriers who's first question to you is "Wathcu Pay?", which gets brokers in trouble with their customers all the time from posts we read on here), a big part of our unforeseen cost when working with a broker is floating the payment extension beyond terms; again, some "carriers" that broker to us are just as bad if not worse in some cases on my weekly receivable list, but this is something that really has to change across the industry. All our bills on the carrier side are due in 7 days, 14 days, or a month at the most! We work with brokers all the time, but to summarize some main challenges from our perspective here at F1 to help brokers add value to their services to a carrier, are to provide accurate/verified information (and putting "Call ahead", as I know 1 broker customer of ours that is very active on here does consistently on every pick up and every delivery point to try and avoid costs due to bad information you did not bother to verify yourself first, and slow payments @ 60-90 days... is not value added BTW) and decrease days to pay on your invoice to within 30 day terms. I hate feeling like we are a 3rd parties bank line of credit between their customer payment and the payment to us; as this is a small margin business already, let alone floating interest costs (if you are currently paying carriers over 30 days, and you know who you are out there, that is too long...). To be continued I am sure lol...just some food for thought
 
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One of the very first customers I secured as a broker, was one that manufactured odd shaped metal product. Couldn't be skidded, most deliveries ended-up being hand bombs, usually needed LTL flatbed...... just a regular carrier's nightmare. After the shipper tried 3 or 4 carriers, he was at the point of giving up when I walked in. It took time and it was difficult to find partners to work with, but from that very first customer, 25 years later, we're still here, and so is that customer plus countless other spin offs. Could an asset based carrier provide the service required here? Not likely, too many different lanes, feast or famine shipping schedules along with the brutal nature of the product. At that time, most of the carriers I contacted would only deal with skidded freight and preferred the type that would pretty much load and unload itself! Are freight brokers a necessary evil?.......maybe, but the marketplace itself created a need for their services.
 
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F1, do you service Norwich, England by any chance? I get partials out of there for Toronto and London almost every month. We also have a customer in Corbin, KY who needs three gondola (rail) cars spotted on a team track near Louisville every Wednesday.. let me know please.
 
F1, I think you answered your own question about slow payers, at least regarding carriers who broker their "excess" freight. As you said, a carrier must pay his bills such as fuel, wages repairs, etc. in 7 - 10 days. So where does the bill from the other carrier you sold the freight to get put in the pile? Yes, there are lots of slow paying brokers out there, but we sure see lots of moaning on this site about carriers not paying their own "brokerage division" bills in a timely fashion.
 
Lots of slow paying shippers out there too... getting rid of brokers won't help that. In my own case I pay my bills within 15 days (from pickup date) even though all of my shippers pay me net 30 and take their liberties with that. You must mean getting rid of the BAD brokers... we can all hope that the bad apples on both side of the equation get flushed out somehow, but that's not likely to happen any time soon.