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Aaron Freght Systems
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One shipment - 07/16/10 - picked up and delivered on time and his PARS and hand written carrier name by the shipper match his company name.
Would hire again for sure.
Best regards,
Mike
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@shayne
If the company tells you the second they are onsite/checked in etc. what happens after the 2 hours? Do you rest on your laurels and just say oh FCFS - cant do anything? It's a double edged sword, good for drivers that don't make appt times, bad for diligent drivers who are planned effectively - so depending on what end of the spectrum you are, you may have a different opinion/preference.
As someone who would like to believe we're the latter - the FCFS is a garbage tactic to avoid paying legitimate claims. But then again - some folks think sitting in a field for 10 hours and no layovers also is "fair" too.
If the company tells you the second they are onsite/checked in etc. what happens after the 2 hours? Do you rest on your laurels and just say oh FCFS - cant do anything? It's a double edged sword, good for drivers that don't make appt times, bad for diligent drivers who are planned effectively - so depending on what end of the spectrum you are, you may have a different opinion/preference.
As someone who would like to believe we're the latter - the FCFS is a garbage tactic to avoid paying legitimate claims. But then again - some folks think sitting in a field for 10 hours and no layovers also is "fair" too.
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Shayne don't call us on those loads because we gots to be paid. It's a very convenient way to not pay waiting time, if we sit for 2 hours we will be paid or we will not be doing work with that company nor more importantly they will not be doing work for us and we have a lot of inbound loads that we sell on a regular basis.
The only good part about FCFS is when companies DO utilize the approach properly they end up getting everyone loaded and out fairly quickly. I find with appts that most of the time the shippers end up just loading whenever they want anyway and making the driver wait even though he was on time from the beginning.
Igor Galanter
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So is it fair then to to say fuck your freight and leave it sitting on the dock? Not our problem YOUR shipper or receiver takes all day hire more help. Think I may implement that policy on brokers that like to fuck carriers may have to do it with a no call telling them we are leaving policy also. That sounds pretty bad and not very helpful does it. That is how yours sounded too.
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Once docked, is a harsh way of looking at things. If there are 10 trucks ahead of a driver at a FCFS, and they have to wait several hours - they should be paid for that. If the shipper wants to be FCFS but have no organization to get trucks loaded or unloaded on time, it should be on them not the carrier.
The logic hiding behind the FCFS model is as bad as sending a carrier a load sheet that they are going to be late for before even starting and saying that wait time can't be paid because they were late for pick up. Customer won't pay it, sorry!
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Lets remember though the length of FCFS times can all be held within both the drivers and dispatchers hands as well. I get it, everyone gets upset when you aren't loaded/unloaded as soon as you arrive, but sometimes the attitude will determine how quick or slow you get in and out. Am I saying it's right, no but it does happen...more bees with honey than vinegar.
We just did one this morning. FCFS....driver in 10am....out 10:50am on a TL. That's the way its's supposed to go! 
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FCFS are usually very organized - we do a lot of paper FCFS - and in and out within two hours is the norm
touch wood... don't want to jinx it
touch wood... don't want to jinx it
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FCFS is two hours from time of arrival - we load multiple trucks daily out of our warehouse facilities and there's no need other than pathetic organization for a shipper to take longer than that to load trucks. Anything longer than that is a order management process failure - and the shipper should be penalized for their ineptitude at a much higher cost per minute than most freight brokers think reflect the true opportunity cost of unnecessary dwell times at docks. I'll take anyone seriously who doesn't think that detention time should be paid when I have proof that they donate their time at work to their employer and don't expect a paycheque for it.
I donate my time every week thebluffs1! LOL...sorry....couldn't resist! hehehehehe
FCFS overall works best. Everything is FCFS - if you go to a restaurant or fast food chain its FCFS. Properly run locations will identify their busy times and make sure there is coverage. If there is a rush or overflow, someone is pulled off some other duty to jump in and assist moving the customers in and out. Those who do not manage it properly will see customers leave.
Good shippers understand this and they understand that a truck sitting for hours costs money and is not good for anyone. They should have enough fork lifts and dock doors to handle most surges.
The only way to let a shipper know if they're bad or good is to charge them accordingly. Once they get the bill they can identify if they're doing everything possible to keep that charge down. If they want to be a real good shipper move the initial time to 1 hour in turn for asking a linehaul rate reduction.
Remember, we need to make sure the the entity that is causing the extra charges is being billed appropriately - weather that is dwell time at the shipper or waiting time at the border.
Good shippers understand this and they understand that a truck sitting for hours costs money and is not good for anyone. They should have enough fork lifts and dock doors to handle most surges.
The only way to let a shipper know if they're bad or good is to charge them accordingly. Once they get the bill they can identify if they're doing everything possible to keep that charge down. If they want to be a real good shipper move the initial time to 1 hour in turn for asking a linehaul rate reduction.
Remember, we need to make sure the the entity that is causing the extra charges is being billed appropriately - weather that is dwell time at the shipper or waiting time at the border.