Cardinal Transportation Inc??

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Hello everyone,

We're moving a load for Cardinal Transportation Inc, 2171 Dunwin Dr, in Mississauga. I have never heard of them before, however im told that theyve been in business for close to 20 yrs. Has anyone had any experience with them before? Any info would be appreciated, thanks!
 
Cardinal

Been dealing with them since 2007
they only cut chqs once a month so some invoices are older by the time we get paid.
Avg 50 - 65 days to pay
i deal with dale in a/p
do 5 -10 loads per month
 
Yes it does. Anyone, regardless of where they are domiciled, who engages in freight brokering across state or federal boundaries (international) must register with the FMCSA. Licensed motor carriers who engage in freight brokering must also have a separate Brokers registration in addition to their common or contract carrier registration.
 
For the record...

Last load done for them in October 2021... Paid by cheque in 74 days!
 
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Jim is this anything more than not being able to broker Interstate freight? Does it effect their ability for brokering cross border freight?
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For the most part, a lot of carriers, especially the new ones, will work with broker who does not have FMCSA brokerage authority for shipments originating in the US. It is a US federal requirement to have this authority but some choose to take their chances. One day I hope the US will increase their enforcement or better yet that Canada creates a similar requirement. We use it to identify the amount of credit as it shows that they are serious about the business they are in. Someone who has this authority has 'skin in the game'. In the case of broker A vs broker B we will always choose one that has an FMCSA brokerage authority.
In this case I usually find that this is one of the first indications that a broker will cease operations. If all the carriers chose not to a broker until they have a FMCSA brokerage authority then it would definitely help our industry as a whole.
 
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One of the added benefits of dealing with a licensed freight broker is access to the 75K surety bond the broker must maintain in the event of non payment. Granted, 75K is a pretty paltry sum, especially these days with rates as high as they are, but it is better than zero and as Jim L mentioned, an indicator of the broker’s commitment to his business.
 
We deal with Cardinal but they are slow payers. They cut a cheque at the end of every month so payments are usually end up being around 65-70 days
 
loaders said:
One of the added benefits of dealing with a licensed freight broker is access to the 75K surety bond the broker must maintain in the event of non payment. Granted, 75K is a pretty paltry sum, especially these days with rates as high as they are, but it is better than zero and as Jim L mentioned, an indicator of the broker’s commitment to his business.
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Do you realize if I wanted to take carriers for 250k or more a Surety bond would mean nothing. Spend 5k to get the bond then go to town. As a Canadian broker in business for 27 years without an MC # I have no problem conducting my business. Carriers know me and also know we pay 15-35 days depending on the reporting agency
I have consulted numerous transportation lawyers and as we only have Canadian customers and we use only Canadian carriers US laws have no affect here. And by the way I used to have an LB # back when we needed it and my trust fund is only used to pay HST and payroll as I pay my carriers before my customers pay me . To sum up Jim L expand your horizons
 
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hockey said:
Do you realize if I wanted to take carriers for 250k or more a Surety bond would mean nothing. Spend 5k to get the bond then go to town. As a Canadian broker in business for 27 years without an MC # I have no problem conducting my business. Carriers know me and also know we pay 15-35 days depending on the reporting agency
I have consulted numerous transportation lawyers and as we only have Canadian customers and we use only Canadian carriers US laws have no affect here. And by the way I used to have an LB # back when we needed it and my trust fund is only used to pay HST and payroll as I pay my carriers before my customers pay me . To sum up Jim L expand your horizons
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Just as an add on US law as no legal standing here
 
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Sorry, you are incorrect. If you offer freight brokerage services that include shipments to or from the US, you are required to be registered with the FMCSA. If you choose to ignore the regulations, that is entirely up to you. US laws do not apply here in Canada, however when you arrange for a shipment to enter into or exit from the US….they do. Like yourself, we had an Ontario Load Brokers Certificate when they were required, #LB0008. The advice you say you received from various transportation lawyers, is flawed.
 
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loaders said:
Sorry, you are incorrect. If you offer freight brokerage services that include shipments to or from the US, you are required to be registered with the FMCSA. If you choose to ignore the regulations, that is entirely up to you. US laws do not apply here in Canada, however when you arrange for a shipment to enter into or exit from the US….they do. Like yourself, we had an Ontario Load Brokers Certificate when they were required, #LB0008. The advice you say you received from various transportation lawyers, is flawed.
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US laws do not apply in Canada . The US can apply any law they want in the USA , they have have no bearing in Canada As my lawyer said the they can pass any law they want but it has no bearing in Canada
 
That part is correct. However if you are willingly participating in cross border trade you are required to be a licensed participant. The same reasoning applies to carriers who transport cross border freight. Their Canadian companies must be licensed with the FMCSA as well. This isn’t a matter of US law being arbitrarily imposed on Canadian companies. If you want to play in their sandbox, you are subject to their rules. Ignore them if you wish, I am sure there are many Canadian freight brokers who do. As long as none of your customers shipments become entangled in some sort of catastrophe while moving in the US, you are probably safe from being discovered as being non compliant. It might be time however, to look at a different lawyer for your transportation advice.
 
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Its like comparing a carrier who parks their 4 trucks at Walmart versus 350 trucks with ez passes and weight station bypass

Then people wonder why their competition is able to quote half the rate...
 
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With the chance of being discovered operating without proper registration being so low, it isn’t surprising that some freight brokers ignore the established regulations entirely. In addition, there is the added cost and hassle of obtaining and maintaining the required surety bond. It doesn’t necessarily make them “bad” operators or any more likely to default on their financial obligations. There are a large number of shippers who require that all of their suppliers, brokers and carriers alike, be fully compliant with all required registrations. Why not then, if for no other reason than strictly appearances, be fully registered with the FMCSA?
 
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