Ride and Care Transportation

lowmiler88

lowmiler88

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Ride and Care Transportation
2727 Steeles Ave West Suite B100
Toronto Ontario
416-739-7777

Any info would be great on these guys........Spidey Senses are tingling.
 
Weird situation here. I gave them a load and turns out the driver was from Nolan Trans. and the driver (o/o?) used this guy to find him a load. I would not use again as it is too close to double brokering for me.
 
Caught them double brokering a load to me today. I ended up pulling it for the original broker who I've known for years but not a lane I run regularly.
 
I think these guys have owner operators...technically double brokering. Never had an issue with payment in 2 years, but we have only used them 8 times
 
That is not the case in court or with he Federal government. It is brokered interlined freight to another party.
 
The government views it differently ONLY from the perspective that they want the owner-operators treated as employees and taking payroll deductions.
 
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I disagree. Owner operators do not need taxes deducted. they are using their own equipment. The feds suggest that this type of relationship in interlining and no GST is needs to be paid. the case law these days suggest that , in this case, the owner operator is the end carrier.
 
htcollections said:
I disagree. Owner operators do not need taxes deducted. they are using their own equipment. The feds suggest that this type of relationship in interlining and no GST is needs to be paid. the case law these days suggest that , in this case, the owner operator is the end carrier.
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They are their own business contracted to work for me yes that I will agree. But you are making it sound like an owner operator is an outside Carrier??? Me having one of my owner operators picking up a load for Bell City Transport and delivering it is not the same as me taking the load from Bell City and giving it to Mike Ludwig and have him do it with his equipment. If you think that is the same and interlining or double brokering then I do believe it is time for you to quit celebrating April 20th at work..
 
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I often attend the courts for collections. In the eyes of the law, the end carrier is entitled to the funds. If the end carriers is a contracted driver under your authorities, he's still the one that the judge will award payment to. thats all i am saying.
 
I would agree Sal. if the carrier hired the contracted driver, and the contracted driver was not paid by that carrier, the law supports that the end carrier gets paid. Seen that happen many times! He could also pursue the shipper and receiver under the HTA and Bill of lading act. it is still considered brokered freight, or interlined.
 
Rightfully so, the law attempts to protect the company or individual that transported the shipment (carrier or in some cases and o/o who works exclusively for a carrier) to ensure they are compensated for giving benefit to the consignee by delivering the shipment to them.

What Rob (and many others here) are saying is that people who work in the industry not in a peripheral capacity (excluding lawyers, factors, insurance, etc...) have come to know and accept that an o/o working exclusively for a carrier is commonplace and under most circumstances can be treated almost identically to an employee of that carrier operation.

In the eyes of the law, ok, the carrier contracts the o/o to handle the shipment, but I don't need a carrier to tell me he/she employs o/o's , I do need them to tell me if they can't handle my load and want to give it to their 'buddy'.

Keep well,
Mike
 
My point was simply that carriers using a a sub Contracted driver is , legally brokering freight. And the end carrier should be paid.
 
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