Ayr Motor - Woodstock, NB

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Shakey said:
you just don't get it eh, again supply demand. Are you raising your drivers rates? Are you charging your customers more? Bruce R Smith saved yesterday will that help industry? And yes i have been in the drivers corner and have raised rates at companies I worked for, would you like some numbers or drivers to call??? Come with some solutions, what have you done to make the industry better???
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I'm here and on several other websites as well as forming driver groups which will be fighting to remind some of the ignorance or should I say the unwillingness by carriers to pay their drivers what they rightfully deserve.

As I said, this elephant in the room is not going to go away.

I've given you solutions. It's not rocket science Monsieur Shakey.
The people on this board have a great deal of power to make the changes necessary. Again, I will reiterate, drivers don't set freight rates.

From my perspective, it appears that what you are doing is protesting against change and giving us more of the same old tired song and dance routine of we can't fix it because we can't charge more"
 
It's a shame you don't follow what people say due to your prejudge conclusions, groups and forums do not change things, actions do. Never did I say rates should stay and pay should stay, this all comes from supply and demand. You seem to think everyone just raise rates and pay more, I am a realist, easy to see you are not. Guess you think toss a union into the mix to fix all issues, check our North America's issues and you will see that does not fix it. We are no longer the industrial powers of the world, changing to comsumers!
 
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Shakey said:
its a shame you don't follow what people say due to your prejudge conclusions, groups and forums do not change things, actions do. Never did i say rates should stay and pay should stay, this all comes from supply and demand. You seem to think everyone just raise rates and pay more, i am a realist, easy to see you are not. Guess you think toss a union into the mix to fix all issues, check our North America's issues and you will see that does not fix it. We are no longer the industrial powers of the world, changing to comsumers!
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Well I will end this discussion with you right here so that it does not further detract from the original topic because it's quite clear that your ignorance is not by accident.


You mention that we are no longer the industrial powers of this world. Goods still have to move from sea to sea monsieur and it takes trucks and drivers to move and deliver them so your point is moot.

My honest opinion though is yes, a national driver's union is desperately needed to keep those who continue to treat drivers as simply slaves in check. Keep it up and it will happen. Mark my words, drivers are more than fed up and growing increasingly angry with the poor attitudes and disrespect towards them by those who share your views.
In case you haven't noticed, there's no great rush of applicants whose fathers drove walking in the door looking to drive a truck.

I suggest you stop thinking like the old dinosaurs Monsieur Shakey.
The drivers today aren't buying into 20 year old ways of keeping them under the employers thumb.

Good day Monsieur.
 
Black_Ice said:
I'm here and on several other websites as well as forming driver groups which will be fighting to remind some of the ignorance or should I say the unwillingness by carriers to pay their drivers what they rightfully deserve.
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Well Blackice your on one less website now I see! Pretty soon people here will get tired of your Teamster rantings and turf you also. Your just a "Teamster plant"...or should I say "pimp"!!
 
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I have a little union story..........a company in close proximity to us went union a few years back and I asked the owner how it affected him, he emailed me the contract and I was shocked every portion of the contract was below what we paid so I called him up and asked how he managed it? His answer was that they expected to pay more but that was all the union asked for and the real kicker was now every detail was laid out in writing and they could force the drivers to live to the contract so it was a win win for them. Black_Ice if you are a good professional driver you do not need anyone to look out for you, I always find the big union talkers are usually the worst drivers and need protection.
 
Consensus?

The great debate rages on! I believe that any agreement on issues that affect this or any other industry is unlikely between pro union, and pro business people. For both sides though, if they find their situation intolerable, there is one final solution. Get out.

Why on earth anybody, be they management or labor, would stay in an industry that is not providing them with what they need, is beyond my understanding. I know I'll take a bit of flak over this, however changing vocations, or businesses should always be in the thoughts of anyone who is unsatisfied with the status quo. Nobody is forced to work in an unfulfilling job. I think that anybody that's capable of being a professional truck driver, or competent business owner, is more than capable of training themselves for new endeavors in other industries.
 
Well said ActiveT.

Sure this industry has its issues but what business doesn't? If there is a business that's perfect out there I'd be interested to hear about it.

There are good things and bad things about trucking. One thing is for certain... no two days are the same... it's ever changing... new challenges each day. Certainly isn't like that Bill Murray movie 'Ground Hog Day'.

When I was younger I was part of a union... never again thanks - not for me.

Happy Friday all.
 
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I agree with Activet

Not that today's economy is easy though ...

The changing economy is affecting everyone ... the drivers, the dispatchers, the trucking company and broker owners, and the salespeople.

Sometimes it's an art of knowing when to fight and when not to. While I don't like Ayr in general, without knowing the customer I don't know what they're up against ... if other carriers working with them are doing so under same stipulations, they can't change it.

In my honest opinion though, they should be weighing the pros and cons and act accordingly. I for one know that if I have a customer that moves so many loads in a period of time and the odd time I end up paying extra charges to a carrier that I can't get back without really pissing them off, I eat them ... if the profit I make as a whole justifies it. If it doesn't, I probably still will eat the charges ... that time ... but it will change the way I deal with the customer going forward.

Funny how this thread really got off track ...
 
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I feel like Black Ice has somehow changed this thread from comments/concerns about an issue with Ayr Motor Freight and detention time to that of pro-union propaganda. It really has gotten off-track and perhaps alienates many of us users who peruse this website for opinions and ideas that are related to the heading of the thread.
 
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