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The freight went to bond as dispatcher didn't bother to wait for the custom broker to clear the shipment.
BOND should be applied if the shipper, receiver, custom borker or freight broker is NOT reponsive and shipment is held for an extraordinary period of time. Do you know what should be the bonded charge be for an LTL shipment ?
Right. I may agree with your stance after all. There's still not enough detail, here's why:

Just about every customs broker will tell you they want 2 hours to clear a shipment with full documentation received to the time a driver arrives to the border, even then I usually but not for JTS allow a maximum 1 hour for a clearance to complete (in my experience). Now, at this point the carrier is to contact you (no matter what time of day it is if you haven't discussed in advance) and you TOGETHER decide if waiting time will apply for the driver including a shut down and layover or bond. If the carrier is post audit, the charges are much more reasonable because there is no inflated bond shed charges.

So, was this a hasty carrier decision, was it a lack of paperwork, a lack of communication, or something else?

Keep well,
Mike
 
In my experience, no carrier WANTS to bond anything. It is a huge drain on time and resources.
Absolutely.
First; it's a bunch of phone calls to the customs broker to egg them on to do their jobs in a timely manner. Put up with horrible on hold music, leave messages that are not returned etc, etc.
Second, a number of phone calls to the customer / freight broker. A select few have enough information to get something done. Otherwise, you get a freight broker who doesn't know what is involved or how to fix it, if you get a hold of anyone at all.
Third, you're at the border and you decide you've had enough with the phone calls, the inability for anyone who should be able to do something, to do anything; its best to make your move because now it could happen at any time or not until a week of Sundays - slam it in bond. You have change the ACI manifest which is usually a delete and a resubmit. Then technically you have to wait a full hour or AMPS penalties will apply for arriving in under an hour after submission approval. Heaven forbid it if the broker finally gets it done at this point.
Fourth; bring it into your yard and start planning on getting it to a bond shed instead of the final destination. This causes a horrible domino effect for all your other planning that you meticulously completed to ensure all deliveries and pickups are done on time with appointments and such but this PITA ends up screwing everything.
Fifth; manage to advise the customs broker to let them know that the shipment went in bond and now they have to make the transaction for an inland port instead of the original intended port. Unless you get to speak to a supervisor, that gets all messed up because the people on the front lines have no clue what that means. (just like a few of you reading this I bet)
Sixth; get to the bond shed with all the paperwork, have it arrived by the bond shed and if the transaction is still not done the bond shed charges to unload you but you have to pay up front. If it is done you have to pay the bond fees then before leaving. Now you have to plan how to get this in the pickup/delivery mix.
Seventh; call the freight broker and tell them they owe $XXX.00 for all the time and hassle to which you get told, 'MY CUSTOMER DOES NOT APPROVE'. Now we have done the equivalent of anywhere from 1-6 hours of administrative work plus costs for extra deliveries and redeliveries.

All this happens because the shipper and the receiver have agreed to a transaction to buy or sell something, and neither of them has any idea or clue on ensuring that the paperwork to get it over the border is complete and that their customs broker can handle it. Last week we took a Canadian Tire shipment from the US. They use Livingston (arrrggg). The process there is that Livingston has to get approval from CTC to do the entry. Here the shipper and receiver knew the product was shipping but nobody approved it to Livingston and we waited at the border until someone, either Livingston or CTC was able to reply to an email. We are not going to get anything for the wait at the border or the bond or the 40 odd phone calls to Livingston because this freight broker is an [fill in the blank].

If you told me up front that the shipment was coming in bond we could arrange something much more cost effective but since most freight brokers know nothing about their customers freight the above gets handled by the carrier. Remember this is not about cost reimbursement. This is about providing a service that was not originally planned but managed because other people didn't.

In this original post the charge was $1600 bond + $300 redelivery. Is that excessive? Maybe. That all depends on the business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. It certainly sounds like there was no previous or ongoing expected business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. Nobody is telling the whole story here and we don't know if it sat in bond for days and incurred storage or did it take hours on end to get it resolved. IMO, it sounds like somewhere in this whole process the carrier demanded some punitive amount because of the hassle. It makes me wish I didthe same in the CTC example I gave earlier.

To sum up the post, if you're a freight broker, don't take a chance on letting the carrier make the decision. Do the work yourself and charge the customer accordingly. Get the paperwork, follow up with the customs broker, get the work done before the carrier does it for you and charge you for it.
 
Absolutely.
First; it's a bunch of phone calls to the customs broker to egg them on to do their jobs in a timely manner. Put up with horrible on hold music, leave messages that are not returned etc, etc.
Second, a number of phone calls to the customer / freight broker. A select few have enough information to get something done. Otherwise, you get a freight broker who doesn't know what is involved or how to fix it, if you get a hold of anyone at all.
Third, you're at the border and you decide you've had enough with the phone calls, the inability for anyone who should be able to do something, to do anything; its best to make your move because now it could happen at any time or not until a week of Sundays - slam it in bond. You have change the ACI manifest which is usually a delete and a resubmit. Then technically you have to wait a full hour or AMPS penalties will apply for arriving in under an hour after submission approval. Heaven forbid it if the broker finally gets it done at this point.
Fourth; bring it into your yard and start planning on getting it to a bond shed instead of the final destination. This causes a horrible domino effect for all your other planning that you meticulously completed to ensure all deliveries and pickups are done on time with appointments and such but this PITA ends up screwing everything.
Fifth; manage to advise the customs broker to let them know that the shipment went in bond and now they have to make the transaction for an inland port instead of the original intended port. Unless you get to speak to a supervisor, that gets all messed up because the people on the front lines have no clue what that means. (just like a few of you reading this I bet)
Sixth; get to the bond shed with all the paperwork, have it arrived by the bond shed and if the transaction is still not done the bond shed charges to unload you but you have to pay up front. If it is done you have to pay the bond fees then before leaving. Now you have to plan how to get this in the pickup/delivery mix.
Seventh; call the freight broker and tell them they owe $XXX.00 for all the time and hassle to which you get told, 'MY CUSTOMER DOES NOT APPROVE'. Now we have done the equivalent of anywhere from 1-6 hours of administrative work plus costs for extra deliveries and redeliveries.

All this happens because the shipper and the receiver have agreed to a transaction to buy or sell something, and neither of them has any idea or clue on ensuring that the paperwork to get it over the border is complete and that their customs broker can handle it. Last week we took a Canadian Tire shipment from the US. They use Livingston (arrrggg). The process there is that Livingston has to get approval from CTC to do the entry. Here the shipper and receiver knew the product was shipping but nobody approved it to Livingston and we waited at the border until someone, either Livingston or CTC was able to reply to an email. We are not going to get anything for the wait at the border or the bond or the 40 odd phone calls to Livingston because this freight broker is an [fill in the blank].

If you told me up front that the shipment was coming in bond we could arrange something much more cost effective but since most freight brokers know nothing about their customers freight the above gets handled by the carrier. Remember this is not about cost reimbursement. This is about providing a service that was not originally planned but managed because other people didn't.

In this original post the charge was $1600 bond + $300 redelivery. Is that excessive? Maybe. That all depends on the business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. It certainly sounds like there was no previous or ongoing expected business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. Nobody is telling the whole story here and we don't know if it sat in bond for days and incurred storage or did it take hours on end to get it resolved. IMO, it sounds like somewhere in this whole process the carrier demanded some punitive amount because of the hassle. It makes me wish I didthe same in the CTC example I gave earlier.

To sum up the post, if you're a freight broker, don't take a chance on letting the carrier make the decision. Do the work yourself and charge the customer accordingly. Get the paperwork, follow up with the customs broker, get the work done before the carrier does it for you and charge you for it.
Taken from the pages of the famous children's book "Most of My Friday Nights"
 
Absolutely.
First; it's a bunch of phone calls to the customs broker to egg them on to do their jobs in a timely manner. Put up with horrible on hold music, leave messages that are not returned etc, etc.
Second, a number of phone calls to the customer / freight broker. A select few have enough information to get something done. Otherwise, you get a freight broker who doesn't know what is involved or how to fix it, if you get a hold of anyone at all.
Third, you're at the border and you decide you've had enough with the phone calls, the inability for anyone who should be able to do something, to do anything; its best to make your move because now it could happen at any time or not until a week of Sundays - slam it in bond. You have change the ACI manifest which is usually a delete and a resubmit. Then technically you have to wait a full hour or AMPS penalties will apply for arriving in under an hour after submission approval. Heaven forbid it if the broker finally gets it done at this point.
Fourth; bring it into your yard and start planning on getting it to a bond shed instead of the final destination. This causes a horrible domino effect for all your other planning that you meticulously completed to ensure all deliveries and pickups are done on time with appointments and such but this PITA ends up screwing everything.
Fifth; manage to advise the customs broker to let them know that the shipment went in bond and now they have to make the transaction for an inland port instead of the original intended port. Unless you get to speak to a supervisor, that gets all messed up because the people on the front lines have no clue what that means. (just like a few of you reading this I bet)
Sixth; get to the bond shed with all the paperwork, have it arrived by the bond shed and if the transaction is still not done the bond shed charges to unload you but you have to pay up front. If it is done you have to pay the bond fees then before leaving. Now you have to plan how to get this in the pickup/delivery mix.
Seventh; call the freight broker and tell them they owe $XXX.00 for all the time and hassle to which you get told, 'MY CUSTOMER DOES NOT APPROVE'. Now we have done the equivalent of anywhere from 1-6 hours of administrative work plus costs for extra deliveries and redeliveries.

All this happens because the shipper and the receiver have agreed to a transaction to buy or sell something, and neither of them has any idea or clue on ensuring that the paperwork to get it over the border is complete and that their customs broker can handle it. Last week we took a Canadian Tire shipment from the US. They use Livingston (arrrggg). The process there is that Livingston has to get approval from CTC to do the entry. Here the shipper and receiver knew the product was shipping but nobody approved it to Livingston and we waited at the border until someone, either Livingston or CTC was able to reply to an email. We are not going to get anything for the wait at the border or the bond or the 40 odd phone calls to Livingston because this freight broker is an [fill in the blank].

If you told me up front that the shipment was coming in bond we could arrange something much more cost effective but since most freight brokers know nothing about their customers freight the above gets handled by the carrier. Remember this is not about cost reimbursement. This is about providing a service that was not originally planned but managed because other people didn't.

In this original post the charge was $1600 bond + $300 redelivery. Is that excessive? Maybe. That all depends on the business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. It certainly sounds like there was no previous or ongoing expected business relationship between the carrier and the freight broker. Nobody is telling the whole story here and we don't know if it sat in bond for days and incurred storage or did it take hours on end to get it resolved. IMO, it sounds like somewhere in this whole process the carrier demanded some punitive amount because of the hassle. It makes me wish I didthe same in the CTC example I gave earlier.

To sum up the post, if you're a freight broker, don't take a chance on letting the carrier make the decision. Do the work yourself and charge the customer accordingly. Get the paperwork, follow up with the customs broker, get the work done before the carrier does it for you and charge you for it.
Hi Jim, thanks for outlining the process on putting a load in bond. Many of us in the 3PL world don't understand what it takes to get a load cleared, much less put in bond.

Many of our customers use Livingston and getting the load cleared in a timely manner is an ongoing issue, especially if you need a load cleared in less than 4 hours.

Customs issues always happen after hours and it is very difficult to get the customer involved on Friday night or weekend to help resolve the issue.

In my experience carriers only put the load in bond after many phone calls and emails with no resolution in sight. The only exception to this are some of the larger LTL carriers who put the freight in bond and tell you the next day.
 
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Taken from the pages of the famous children's book "Most of My Friday Nights"
Yep, I forgot to include that in the lengthy post, all this hassle happens after hours - all the dispatchers are gone and the owner of the company or the poor guy on call has to deal with it. To make matters worse it always happens to the poor driver who is stuck on Friday night at 10pm and he is expected to be a groomsman the next day who has already missed the rehearsal.

Pain and suffering....
 
I have never had a problem with this carrier. I would rate them as a good carrier who I have had nothing but good experiences with, and handled a recent claim very professionally.
 
We want to mark this issue as RESOLVED and looking to close the threads.
thank you all for your participation and time for the comments.
 
Norman,

In your original post you claimed ARCA Trans asked you to pay $1300 (agreed freight charges) + $1600 Bond/storage charges and a $300 redelivery charge.

What portion of the above have they paid you back? I ask because if they reconsidered the redelivery charge and are kindly sending you back some of the $300 funds that's one thing... If they claimed the Bond charges and storage were $1600, but then when they had to provide you a receipt it was $350 and they are reimbursing you that difference it certainly leaves a different taste in ones mouth.

Please do let us know specifically what they are reimbursing you for. I'm sure Arca has a profile here, feel free to speak up and let us know what went down.

Keep well,
Mike
 
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