trucks not used

hockeylover

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Hello

I need a little feedback on a situation.

I want to be fair and easy to get along with, but sometimes I question if I am fair enough.

I hired a flatbed carrier to load in Toronto. The required equipment was a step deck/tarps, 40" height and 4 8" x 8" beams to level the step deck to reach 48" dock. The driver arrived with a 34" deck and no beams for levelling.

The driver arrived on time but with a mostly wood deck that had some aging to it. No 8" x 8" beams. My client had to send his rigger to the local Home Depot to purchase the beams and other smaller pieces as the deck was only 34". The client says the cost was several hundred dollars.

At 9:00 I am told by the customer that he is not happy but is trying to make the best of it. At 11:30 the client called to say that he tried to load a skid with parts on to the deck and the wood was bowing in the middle. Loose pieces sticking up and all. He caught the torn wood and pulled more up with the tow motor, he claims he could see daylight beneath and refused to load his 10,000 lbs. piece of machinery on this truck. He felt it was very unsafe - to load or unload.

The carrier apologized for not bringing any of the needed wood and when I asked him if he had a wooden deck in rough shape he said " NO".

He also said wood decks are very common still. Then in the same conversation he offers to reinforce the deck with aluminum right up the middle and he will go back himself on Friday and "he" will get it loaded even if he has to jump on the tow motor himself. All I need to do is give him $1000.00 more and he will rid me of all my problems.

I advised him that I would be hiring a different truck for this order now and he said "I owed him $500.00 for a truck not used ". Today I received the bill for $500.00.

I was thinking of offering $150.00 for his wasted time and because it took my customer 4 1/2 hours to release him and say the trailer was not safe. Our order requested 1-3 hours loading/unloding.

By the way I used a great carrier in the end. Avery Construction and they loaded and left within hours and not an issue. Great job guys.

My client shut me down when I told him the original carrier is asking for a $500 fee for not loading. I would be giving him the $150.00 for his time and miles.


Any thoughts?


Hockeylover
 
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Carrier A should be thankful that you're offering him 150.00

- He showed with incorrect equipment according to your PO

- The equipment he did show with was in poor condition. The shipper isn't making this up. All a shipper wants to do is get his merchandise out the door.

If someone hires you to move a reefer load and you show up with a reefer that wont run, do they owe you for a "truck not used'?

150.00 is more than fair. Carrier A should take the 150.00 and run.

Carrier B should be your first call on the next similar move.
 
Carrier A should be thankful that you're offering him 150.00

- He showed with incorrect equipment according to your PO

- The equipment he did show with was in poor condition. The shipper isn't making this up. All a shipper wants to do is get his merchandise out the door.

If someone hires you to move a reefer load and you show up with a reefer that wont run, do they owe you for a "truck not used'?

150.00 is more than fair. Carrier A should take the 150.00 and run.

Carrier B should be your first call on the next similar move.

Pretty well put Nawk.
 
I wouldn't pay him a dime. IN fact, I would be invoicing him wait time for wasting the shippers and your time.

some... not all, of the carriers need to be accountable for the crap they call equipment they bring in. As a broker, I pay wait time, and just about any reasonable accessoral charge that heads my way, so that I am fair and have a good carrier base to pull from.

these carriers that ignore instructions jeopardize the account you worked so hard to get. What if you lost the customer because of his actions on this load ? will he be supplementing your income ? will he be getting you a new client to make up for it... ? of course not, he would apologize, hang up the phone and laugh his a** off !.

This industry needs ACCOUNTABILITY !... from Brokers and Carriers. Everyone complains about not getting paid this and fuel that !... if for once, the brokers and carriers actually worked together, the clients would be paying better and getting better service... WIN WIN !...

What this carrier did to you was ridiculous !... he wouldn't see a dime from me... just an invoice !
 
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The guy is an idiot..shouldn't pay a dime let alone $150.00 or $500.00. In business you pay if you make a mistake and the other guy pays if the other guy makes a mistake...that's true if you're a broker, a carrier, or a birthday clown for hire. You could have very well lost the customer over this..confidence in this business is everything...and when you sent this clown in to your account your customer's level of confidence in YOUR ability went for a shit. You should be going after him for everything you can get...
 
Thank you all for your replies. I really appreciate a fresh look at this. My blood pressure went through the roof when I received his bill.

It is only fair I warn you not to use them> Pletsch's Float Service- Stratford, ON

Thanks... again

Hockeylover
 
Just to be the devil's advocate:

When the shipper, the broker and the carrier all agree that they will 'make due with what is provided' and begin the process of loading it could be said that there is a case for the carrier to seek some compensation for time spent on the project. Don't get me wrong - it's a stretch and I agree that if you do not provide (or even close) to the equipment contracted you're lucky to get a dime, it's really too bad that the truck wasn't just turned away immediately for not being equipment as contracted. Of course, hindsight is 20/20.

I'll likely change my mind about this over the weekend and edit this then.

Keep well,

Mike
 
Everyone tried to make the best out of a bad situation after the carrier showed up with the wrong equipment... that doesn't justify any compensation to the carrier when their best efforts ended in failure. I find it silly that the carrier clearly screwed up yet expects compensation for time...ridiculous really...
 
I totally agree....but sometimes the driver DOES NOT get told guys. Dispatch gets it in their head....just get it on he deck. I dont think its up to the carrier to have to supply 8X8's though. Us Flatbedders cant carry everything. If it was a good rigging company....and I have worked with a few.....and they always carried that wood for that reason. As for the deck....I would not have gone on it either.
 
I totally agree....but sometimes the driver DOES NOT get told guys. Dispatch gets it in their head....just get it on he deck. I dont think its up to the carrier to have to supply 8X8's though. Us Flatbedders cant carry everything. If it was a good rigging company....and I have worked with a few.....and they always carried that wood for that reason. As for the deck....I would not have gone on it either.

You're not getting it. The customer asked for something and the carrier agreed to it. That's it plain and simple. The customer doesn't care how the darn 8x8's get there...call Home Depot the day before and arrange for delivery. If you agree to it then do it.

If there's a communications problem then that's between the carrier, the driver doing the work and the customer although the majority of carriers will leave the driver out of the conversation for fear he'll say something stupid and throw the carrier under the proverbial bus.
 
I agree Ralph. What I meant was the driver was never likely told about the 8x8's. I had a Dispatcher who thought railroad ties were laying all over the place.....go grab a few he would tell us.
 
Beware

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We have an invoice from March 2011 $6900.00 which remains unpaid by Pletch's. They refuse to return our calls and have promised payment to no avail.
 
As a carrier, I would NEVER DARE to charge a customer if my driver showed up with inadequate equipment as per the agreement. Heck, I'd even offer the shipper to at least buy lunch to his shipping crew for the waste of time.

Then again, I would never get my guy on a job with the inadequate equipment to start with....Only makes you look like a fool.

Clean trailers inside, solid floors, straps and bars a plenty, courteous driver....that's real basic even if your equipment is a bit older (like our fleet) and is not painted to the last flavor .
 
As someone said - the poor driver is the one that'll get screwed over. Could on a percentage deal - btdt.

Nick
 
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