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SE 117 573 333 11/16/2009 Oakville ON Gibson City IL V T C.H. Robinson Worldwide-Chicago 11/13/2009 10:40:51 AM 550 US X1829 JOHN

573 miles, 550 dollars
 
yep...just got to find freight to put on the other 3/4 of the trailer that "John" didn't pay for. Thank goodness for the "Acme Industries Cheap Freight Compressor" that maximizes cube utilization.
 
The same office is offering $1400.00 cdn for a full flatbed load from Oakville to Watertown MA> I think they need to buy some trucks and run them so they have an idea of the costs of doing buisness in this day and age.
 
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They will never buy trucks.Remember the article in Macleans I think it was. They were very clear on how they were posting record profits on the backs of carriers that were going broke. And they were quite proud of the fact. As I said before if we deal with these type of brokers we have a 20% charge over and above what I would ask for from other brokers or carriers. The funny thing is is that when stuck they pay it.
 
Low Rate of the day

As much as CH is doing their best to wreck the industry, here is a rate as offered to a shipper, (not a load broker), by a major US carrier
Seaforth Ontario to Nashville Tn 42000 lbs van 800.00 Cdn all in. Wht kind of nonsense is that. I challenged the shipper and he advised me the rate was offered to them by the big US carrier to "repostion" a truck.
 
I had a customer for a few months who sent out LTL to texas from Toronto, or had LTL from Carolinas brought here to Toronto. Then Select Daily came by and quoted $115 for one skid $150 for two skids and $250 for 4 skids - HOW IN THE WORLD AM I TO BEAT THAT??? or even come close
 
rickway said:
As much as CH is doing their best to wreck the industry, here is a rate as offered to a shipper, (not a load broker), by a major US carrier
Seaforth Ontario to Nashville Tn 42000 lbs van 800.00 Cdn all in. Wht kind of nonsense is that. I challenged the shipper and he advised me the rate was offered to them by the big US carrier to "repostion" a truck.
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Yes indeed..a shipper offering cheap rates. It's far more common than most think. Too many carriers seem to believe that brokers are getting 3 bucks a mile from the shipper and offering the carriers 1.20...It's just not the case. GOOD shippers exist..but they're as rare as a virgin in a cathouse...well okay..maybe not THAT rare but you get my point. And now that things are slow many shippers have a new attitude..they KNOW that trucks are plentiful and many have become aggressive, rude, and unrealistic in their expectations. "Tell your driver to get his lazy can in here" is what one BIG brand name shipper said to me today. Professional? Not really. But I've been in this racket long enough to know that things will turn around..Just got another email from a shipper who expects SERVICE with all the trimmings..he's offering 1.43 per mile for a short hop flatbed load..fuel included...tarp required...48,000 lbs...and there it goes..someone just grabbed it. Ever wonder why so many brokers are skanks who pay crap in 70+ days..they come into the business honestly and they get jammed up with bad accounts who take advantage...no no..I'm not excusing bad brokers...just saying there's a reason that goes beyond what many assume to be intentional misconduct.
 
Too bad its not only CH who has screwed up that Oakville account. Lots of other brokers have chopped it to death as well. CH in ontario last week was offering $900 cdn to watertown with a drop in Albany. They also have no idea how long it takes to load.
 
and today's cheap competitor of the day.....one of the large name brand fleets has given rates to one of my clients of 1.82 per mile (inclusive) for eastern seaboard freight.....
I'm with freightbroker when he says that its not just the brokers ruining it for everyone....its not the recession that I fear, its the irrational pricing decisions of my competitors.
 
My response to this argument is GOOD ! If people are going to work for free they won't be around long, which is GREAT, the sooner they are out of the picture the sooner the tides can turn. In my opinion this is all a result of deregulation, and it's coming to a head.
 
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My response to this argument is GOOD ! If people are going to work for free they won't be around long, which is GREAT, the sooner they are out of the picture the sooner the tides can turn. In my opinion this is all a result of deregulation, and it's coming to a head.
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If there was no deregulation neither one of us would be here today. Competition is good for the consumer thus deregulation. Not to mention low rates keep us on our toes. We tend to spend more time annalysing our KPI's in order to remain as competitive as possible. In my opinion that's just good buisiness.

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If there was no deregulation neither one of us would be here today. Competition is good for the consumer thus deregulation. Not to mention low rates keep us on our toes. We tend to spend more time annalysing our KPI's in order to remain as competitive as possible. In my opinion that's just good
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I'm not sure how you figure i wouldn't be here today? speak for yourself. I do agree that competition is good, but using the phrase good business to describe what is happening in the trucking industry these days is a joke. Not very many companies in todays environment can make that claim. This is probably one of the scummiest, cut throat, and down right crooked businesses to be involved in. And the main reason it is so slimy is that is all together too easy to get into, which was not the case pre 1988. As long as any Tom, Dick or Harry can apply for and recieve operating authorities this will continue.
 
Wiley One...... He got upset when I told him that the $1,100.00 he was offering would only get half the steel bars on the wagon, and I'd have lots of room left for LTL !!! Needless to say he wouldn't go for it.
 
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I'm not sure how you figure i wouldn't be here today? speak for yourself. I do agree that competition is good, but using the phrase good business to describe what is happening in the trucking industry these days is a joke. Not very many companies in todays environment can make that claim. This is probably one of the scummiest, cut throat, and down right crooked businesses to be involved in. And the main reason it is so slimy is that is all together too easy to get into, which was not the case pre 1988. As long as any Tom, Dick or Harry can apply for and recieve operating authorities this will continue.
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Prior to 1988 and deregulation you would have required shipper support not to mention a small fortune for an operating authority. I highly doubt you would have had both. I may be wrong though. Todays trucking industry environment is only a joke if you are operating your business soley dependant on 3rd party freight. There has always been cheap freight in this industry (remember Sheldon) that will never change. I am not sure how you get through the day with an attitude as negative as yours. If I was a shipper or broker I would certainly be looking for the best rate/service of the day in order to keep my employees working and the hydro on. I think that would be "good business practice". Good business is not just one sided, a preferred supplier is one that strives to assist it's customers to remain viable.

This is not meant to piss you off I am simply providing my opinion.
 
I tend to agree with you Truckit. I find it somewhat hypocritical for a carrier to rant on and on about a shipper taking advantage of low rates (I am not defending low rates), and then trying to squeeze his own suppliers (fuel, tires, lubricants, etc.) to drop their prices. Now perhaps this is a "chicken or the egg" question, but if you talk to any transportation supplier I am sure they will tell you it as always been this way. As you mentioned, "good business practises" work best when they are applied both ways. A good working relationship with your customer and the same with your suppliers is a good to recipe for success.
 
I'm a firm believer that if you do not like your job go do something else. DJ if this business is as bad as you think it is then you should not be involved. If you do not like the rates go find better ones, don't deal with the bad characters in this business. You are the one that decides who you do business with, you are the master of your domain (no pun intended) don't b*tch and complain do something about it. We do not deal with scum bags or bad actors in this business and I just signed a PO for more trucks, our bad debt will not top $8,000 way less than 1 percent of our sales. We determine who we deal with not anybody else and we choose to deal with the good people of this industry and you know who you are.
 
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