Royal Blue Logistical Services

Thanks for removing the post Admin.

I'm all for freedom of speech... but name calling and attacking someone because of what they look like really doesn't belong here.
 
I understand the need to vent, I understand the need to let others know on this site what kind of dealings we have ALL had with different companies, and I completely understand when there are complaints that need to be made regarding service, and payments. I cannot understand the complete bulls**t I have just read. First of all, thank you to the professional, reasonable people who have already pointed out that name calling by any means is CHILDISH and DISGUSTING. I'm not sure who you are RED, but why not identify yourself ? If you know who I am, shouldn't I know you ???? If you need to insult me for some reason, by making horible comments, which are completely untrue, as I think you DON'T actually know who I am, OR what I look like, why hide who you are ???

I would like to address a couple of the other comments made. TDS Trucking Ltd. and Royal Blue Logistical Services are owned by the same person, Frank Lerra. TDS Trucking has been in business, family-owned for over 10 years now. I personally have been here as a dispatcher for TDS for over 5 years. Many of you know me, and we have done many, many shipments togther. Royal Blue is our brokerage company, which is STRICTLY run as a seperate brokerage company. I have certainly helped out over the years MANY times with Royal Blue, as there has been many periods of time where we were only doing 5-10 orders a week, most of which would go on our own trucks. We HAVE NEVER, EVER DOUBLE / TRIPLE brokered ANY shipment, ANYTIME, EVER !!!!! It's dangerous to make assumptions and comments to this effect. We have struggled a couple times over the years with the payables, usually because of an account we are having trouble collecting from, sometimes because cash flow is low. The last couple months have been difficult for the brokerage, and we have paid a few invoices late. We have ALWAYS factored our invoices with Permicom, since day one - over 10 years ago. That is a choice the owner has made, since we have HUNDREDS of our invoices of the years not paid to us by various brokers. MANY, MANY times we have have not received payment for the work we did till well over 120 days. How are we expected to finance SO many companies who cannot pay us within our terms ?? In reference to Jonny-Chicken, who is from DBR, I believe ? Please correct me if it isn't you John. We pulled up your payment terms to TDS, and found that your last 6 invoices were paid LATE to us, well over 60 days, with the last invoice over 75 days. We choose NOT to go on this site to bash EVERY single company who has run into financial difficulty over the years, as I would have to be posting on this site as a FULL-TIME job. If anyone would like to PM me regarding anything they may have read, or if you have any questions you need answered, please feel free to contact me directly.

Jamie Knight
TDS Trucking Ltd.
 
Sorry all, this is going to be a long one.

Hi JamesK,

Thank you for joining the conversation and giving us the TDS point of view. I absolutely agree with you that what some people are saying here has no place on a business forum such as this. Nobody should be making personal comments about someone's physical appearance regardless of what has transpired. I cannot agree more with that.

Now, in regards to TDS Trucking and Royal Blue, if they share the same address, phone numbers, employees, and the same guy owns both, well, I'm sure you've heard the statement, "if it walks like a duck". From anyone on the outside's point of view these two companies are one in the same. The only items it appears separates the two businesses are the fact that they have two diferent names. Basically the same company though.

I don't think I have ever spoken to you personally JamesK, but correct me if I'm wrong, the only person I have any record of speaking to at your company other than Frank is Antoinella (I probably spelled that wrong). Antoinella has been less than honest (or acurate as some might say) in that she told me my cheque was mailing on January 25. After waiting and seeing it has not arrived I contacted her again several times only to find that she now want's to split an $1100 invoice into two payments of $550 each, both of which would be post-dated. I'm not sure if you have ever worked in accounting, but this is clearly a problem. I have spoken to my dispatch department and they have indicated that there are no issues on the dispatch side, and they have absolutely enjoyed working with you. That is what made it so difficult to understand why we were getting such a hastle on the payment side.

If you have been factoring invoices for 10 years and continue to do so, you are far too undercapitalized for this industry and need to consider your cashflow before taking on new orders. Just my opinion based on what I've seen, but we all get to run our own businesses, so do as you wish.

In regards to payments we have made to Permicom/Comdata on your behalf, I have looked up the past four invoices as I do want information that is out there to be acurate. Going any further back would mean digging through boxes. Here is what I have found.

Invoice #

146394 dated Aug. 6 - chq cleared our account on Oct. 1 -- 56 days
147140 dated Aug. 19 - chq cleared our account on Oct. 14 -- 56 days
147703 dated Sep. 3 - chq cleared our account on Oct. 27 -- 54 days
151442 dated Nov. 9 - chq cleared our account on Jan. 12 -- 64 days
151954 dated Nov. 18 - chq cleared our account on Jan.29 -- 72 days

Again if you are in accounting you would see that to have the money in your account 56 days after date of invoice is actually not bad these days. Of course there is time in there for you mailing the invoice to me (5 days), me mailing the invoice to Permicom/Comdata (5 days), and then you getting the chq to your bank (1 day), and then the 2-3 business days it takes for a cheque to clear in the issuer's account means we paid you in about 40 day terms. As for the last one cashed at 72 days I think you should speak to your factoring company about that as it was mailed to them and I have no control over it after that of course. Clearly the numbers you have been given are inacurate, I would be glad to post the actual invoices and cheques with the stamps on the back if that would accomplish anything. Somebody has lied to you.

In contrast, my one single invoice to Royal Blue is dated December 1, 2009 and the last I spoke to Frank he made it clear he would be unable to pay us in full, that is to even mail the cheque, by this Friday, which would be 79 days!! Also, I really don't think you should make this comparison, it just makes Royal Blue look even worse.

I too do not post every little thing that annoys me on this site as indeed, that would be a full-time job. However, this site has developed into a very good tool for our industry to communicate with each other out in the open. When someone says they cannot pay me in full after 79 days, I will definitely post that to try to get the company to come to their senses and to inform others that they too may have to wait an unreasonable amount of time to get paid.

Thank you
 
"Again if you are in accounting you would see that to have the money in your account 56 days after date of invoice is actually not bad these days."

I was staying out of this until uou posted the above statement if you think that getting your money in 56 days is actually not bad then there are real problems. Getting my money before 40 days from reciept of invoice (which really means 45 days) is not good but we will live with it but anything over that whether it is 1 day or a 100 doesn't make a difference you are using my money to fund your company which equals you are underfunded. I think the term is "the pot calling the kettle black". The other saying that comes to mind is "people who live in glass houses" if you are going to complain on this site about someone else make sure you are doing everything right because this is a very small industry.
 
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Gave freight to TDS, delivered on time friendly + good price. no complaints.

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Thanks for your input AMA, my dispatch department has the same view of TDS.

To be clear to all, I am not complaining about any service or dispatch issues, my problem is waiting unreasonable amounts of time for payment. I mean nothing personal by any of my comments and if a reasonable person reads them they will find the same. I only want to protect my interests and get paid for my employee's work in a reasonable amount of time. Is that too much to ask?

LowMiler88,

When talking about customers I would not accept being paid in 56 days either, however, I give more room to carriers and brokers as we are all in this together. However, at 79 days when the broker cannot even pretend to be able to pay me, that is just scary.

Even if I get paid in full on Friday, which I have already been told I will not be, that would mean that the chq would clear my account on Monday or Tuesday next week, if I picked it up myself. That would be 82 or 83 days compared to my 54 or 56 days. I don't think the whole Kettle and Pot scenerio fits this situation. If I had paid them in 82 days after giving them a hastle a while, then I think your statement would be fair. But of course, that is not what has happened.

As far as the "People who live in Glass houses", well, I would have to wonder what it is that I have said that is SO INSULTING to anyone. What is it? Is it that I have put out here in plain text exactly what has happened, or is it that I dare to demand payment in a reasonable amount of time. I am not the one who is making this personal. Strictly Business.
 
I think the "insulting" part is from a posting that was already deleted by ADMIN. Was posted by RED and then deleted by ADMIN.
 
Johnny-Chicken I guess what got me going was your statemant that since they use a factoring company for 10 years they are far too under capitalized for this industry......then you go on to say paying in 57 days is not too bad for this industry which in my opinion would tell me you are far too under capitalized for this industry. In my opinion 57 days and 83 days both are bad....not too bad......bad. Don't get me wrong I find your posts on this forum very good....this one just got me going a little bit.....which isn't a bad thing.

I would also like to say TDS had worked for us in the past and done a great job and we will continue to use them in the future.
 
Thank you for clarifying that PackRat. I think some on here did not get to see that post and are confused about responses to it. Just to be clear again, I did not say anything personal about anyone, and I do not intend to start. The only reason I have posted here is to gather and share information about Payment Terms and Credit History, which after all is the name of this particular forum.

lowmiler88,

Thanks for clarifying your earlier post. When you said things like "people who live in glass houses" I thought perhaps you were implying that I was the one hurling personal insults on here, which of course I am not. I completely understand your saying that getting paid in 56 days is not "not bad". Perhaps I should elaborate. When I say it is "not bad", that is not the same as saying "good". Good payment terms would be 35 days or better which I do get from some of my regular customers. I would classify 36 to 45 as alright, and I would say that getting my money in my account within 56 days is "not bad". Not "Great", but "Not Bad". Keep in mind here I am talking about days from invoice date to clearing at the bank. This is not the same as the person who states their payment terms as 30 days, because when someone says their payment terms are 30 days it means that they will issue a payment 30 days after receipt of invoice or invoice date. Then it would go in the mail and to the bank for clearing. That payment would probably take about 40 days from date of invoice to date of cheque clearing. And of course, that would fall into the "alright" classification in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for your input. And, I will say it again. I am not reporting any problems with TDS Trucking in regards to dispatch or having them do work for us, they have always done a good job. My problem is waiting so long for payment from Royal Blue Logistical Services and the fact that they cannot commit to payment even now, at 78 days and counting.
 
Happy to say, I have received both installment payments and have now been paid in full, just under 90 days from invoice date.
 
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