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Inbound?
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dunkscd-hi we're still filling up our trailers reasonably, but I seem to be spending a WHOLE lot longer on the phone, emailing etc to do so.
I just wondered if it was only here at our place, or everywhere. Some days better than other, I guess!
thanks!
I just wondered if it was only here at our place, or everywhere. Some days better than other, I guess!
thanks!
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Inbound - outbound imballance
I thought we were the only ones suffering through this. I made a few calls yesterday and heard the same thing from other carriers we know that have the same strategy as us.
We have been bombarded with calls for outbound freight that we have not seen for several years. The Ch Robinson and G Roch types , that have no concern about operating costs.
This over abundance of outbound freight has diluted the inbound.
The end result being that many of the new carriers are now able to go out further, then realizing that there is little to come back with, naturally undercut the present rates.
We lost three LTL. shipments yesterday with freight brokers calling back with the usual stories on why the freight was no longer ours after having confirmed all the details of the load.
I thought we were the only ones suffering through this. I made a few calls yesterday and heard the same thing from other carriers we know that have the same strategy as us.
We have been bombarded with calls for outbound freight that we have not seen for several years. The Ch Robinson and G Roch types , that have no concern about operating costs.
This over abundance of outbound freight has diluted the inbound.
The end result being that many of the new carriers are now able to go out further, then realizing that there is little to come back with, naturally undercut the present rates.
We lost three LTL. shipments yesterday with freight brokers calling back with the usual stories on why the freight was no longer ours after having confirmed all the details of the load.
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Its slow inbound everywhere and I must agree outbound is crazy I don't think I have turned down so much freight. The big down side on all this is the cutting of rates coming home I had someone offer me $1400 out of Atlanta area I couldn't believe it. Then you get decent rates home pick up info and all then miraculously the load is cancelled and I'm sorry I wasn't born last night I know what really happened someone cut the rate. I know thats not the case 100% of the time but it sure does happen quite a bit
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This was my feeling too. We haven't turned down so much outbound freight for a long time.. I can only assume there are alot of trucks out there looking for inbound.
Story of our lives in trucking....either too much inbound or too much outbound!
Story of our lives in trucking....either too much inbound or too much outbound!
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I'm not seeing that ...
If there is a surge in outbound freight, it's probably just that the inbound is weak and trucks aren't turning as well as they should. I know of 4 major closures happening between the end of this year and in 2013 -- all companies shifting production to the USA .. 3 in Ontario, one in Quebec. And I'm sure I don't know everything.
But what I do see are the following:
- inbound is moving very quickly if it gets to our broker board
- customers where we have secondary awards (meaning if primary rejects the tender it comes to us) are almost nil
- not having a great time with the odd customer that we have to spot quote every load
We try to keep our rates stable EVEN in cases where we're not contracted with the customer. And if we give a load to a carrier, we're not taking it back because someone is cheaper. It's very rare for us to have an order cancel on us for the types of reasons I see below.
In my opinion, those parties who are doing this are either playing the market to maximize margin, or are in double-broker/co-broker deals where they're getting squeezed too.
BTW -- has anyone noticed that the amount of American trucks running around here has been on the rise???
If there is a surge in outbound freight, it's probably just that the inbound is weak and trucks aren't turning as well as they should. I know of 4 major closures happening between the end of this year and in 2013 -- all companies shifting production to the USA .. 3 in Ontario, one in Quebec. And I'm sure I don't know everything.
But what I do see are the following:
- inbound is moving very quickly if it gets to our broker board
- customers where we have secondary awards (meaning if primary rejects the tender it comes to us) are almost nil
- not having a great time with the odd customer that we have to spot quote every load
We try to keep our rates stable EVEN in cases where we're not contracted with the customer. And if we give a load to a carrier, we're not taking it back because someone is cheaper. It's very rare for us to have an order cancel on us for the types of reasons I see below.
In my opinion, those parties who are doing this are either playing the market to maximize margin, or are in double-broker/co-broker deals where they're getting squeezed too.
BTW -- has anyone noticed that the amount of American trucks running around here has been on the rise???
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I do not know the situation in Ontario, here in Quebec the outbound has exploded.
Not only are there complete pages of outbound freight posted on link heading in all directions , but several US carriers and freight brokers are calling us on loads, they see us from DAT and since we do not suscribe , we cannot see them.
Just last week , we had at least 4 freight brokers increase the price offered on a load from $2400.00 all the way to $3600.00 the same day, and we still did not have the capacity.
These outbound loads are surely getting covered, and as you said yourself the inbound is pretty much the same as earlier ( no big change in the Canadian economy ).
End result is that we are working a great deal harder to fill our trucks and to meeting our commitments with our established clients.
I do not know the situation in Ontario, here in Quebec the outbound has exploded.
Not only are there complete pages of outbound freight posted on link heading in all directions , but several US carriers and freight brokers are calling us on loads, they see us from DAT and since we do not suscribe , we cannot see them.
Just last week , we had at least 4 freight brokers increase the price offered on a load from $2400.00 all the way to $3600.00 the same day, and we still did not have the capacity.
These outbound loads are surely getting covered, and as you said yourself the inbound is pretty much the same as earlier ( no big change in the Canadian economy ).
End result is that we are working a great deal harder to fill our trucks and to meeting our commitments with our established clients.
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LTL deck freight has DIED, both directions.
More US brokers covering freight that Canadian brokers used to (Hello 2.00/mi)
A lot of my outbound of late has been plant decommissions...that doesn't bode well for the future.
It seems weird for lack of a better term.
There seems to be two kinds of freight. Ultra cheap, and pretty good...nothing in the middle.
More US brokers covering freight that Canadian brokers used to (Hello 2.00/mi)
A lot of my outbound of late has been plant decommissions...that doesn't bode well for the future.
It seems weird for lack of a better term.
There seems to be two kinds of freight. Ultra cheap, and pretty good...nothing in the middle.
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The other thing I look at for a gauge is the Landstar board. In the summer, they had upwards of 10000-11000 total loads, they have been fluctuating between 4000 and 6000 now.
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Chica
We have several larger carriers that give us their overage every week. Theses are mostly FTL carriers for whom we carry out their LTL.
Such as you had mentioned, many of these trucks are sitting in truck stops awaiting their return loads.
One of our regular customers has resorted to bringing back their equipment with as little as 1 skid on board.
These larger carriers are faced with a different problem, they have to bring back those trucks in order to get them out pronto.
I wonder how long that will last before the bleeding will hurt them too much?
By the way, one of our regular shippers loaded 3 Ontario plated trucks to each Quebec based truck last Friday, all these loads were into the South eastern US.
We have several larger carriers that give us their overage every week. Theses are mostly FTL carriers for whom we carry out their LTL.
Such as you had mentioned, many of these trucks are sitting in truck stops awaiting their return loads.
One of our regular customers has resorted to bringing back their equipment with as little as 1 skid on board.
These larger carriers are faced with a different problem, they have to bring back those trucks in order to get them out pronto.
I wonder how long that will last before the bleeding will hurt them too much?
By the way, one of our regular shippers loaded 3 Ontario plated trucks to each Quebec based truck last Friday, all these loads were into the South eastern US.
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That makes sense. Usually to Florida in particular, carriers are not so keen on going there this time of year because the back-haul is traditionally only so-so, even for reefers (I think it may be about $2.00 a mile when all is said/done for citrus from Florida) -- with the waiting time at the markets or grocery chains.
The outbound we have other than a couple of lanes ends up almost completely on our trucks, but the lanes we do broker still move within minutes of us putting them out there.
Oddly enough, it's certain LTL lanes where we see the capacity isn't great, which means either too much or too little freight on the lane.
During retail peak season, it should be the busiest time of the year though.
The outbound we have other than a couple of lanes ends up almost completely on our trucks, but the lanes we do broker still move within minutes of us putting them out there.
Oddly enough, it's certain LTL lanes where we see the capacity isn't great, which means either too much or too little freight on the lane.
During retail peak season, it should be the busiest time of the year though.