Armstrong Transport Group LLC

[Fr8Guru]

UPDATE: Armstrong group has offered us 2800USD stating the $6100USD rate we originally were given by the double broker was an 'inflated rate'. They can only settle us for the 2800USD as per their carrier relations department.

Should we accept this offer or try to get collections involved and attempt to get the 6100USD we were given a rate confirmation for from the double broker who is not responding to us at all?

We had a situation where one of my loads got double brokered by a carrier going out of business.

We took care of the hauling carrier out of pocket. We paid the Dbl broker $3500 and he had brokered it for 4k. The carrier who didn't get paid was being very reasonable and they agreed to accept $3500. $500 difference isn't nearly as large as $3300 though... We need to know the lane in question, I imagine the true market rate is somewhere in between $2800 and $6200.

 

[XPORTIN]

The load was reefer from CA 2400 miles distance :/

 

[Deisel1]

The load was reefer from CA 2400 miles distance :/

the question you should ask yourself is, would I have moved the load on that day for $2800US?
Was $6100.00US too high considering the marketplace on that day/week/month?

Without sharing the important details it'll be hard to add insight.

 

[BIGGE]

UPDATE: Armstrong group has offered us 2800USD stating the $6100USD rate we originally were given by the double broker was an 'inflated rate'. They can only settle us for the 2800USD as per their carrier relations department.

Should we accept this offer or try to get collections involved and attempt to get the 6100USD we were given a rate confirmation for from the double broker who is not responding to us at all?

They probably already paid the scammers. If they offering 2800, take it or you probably will get nothing, the rest is a bad debt tax write off. Due diligence is on your company to insure the load is not double or triple brokered by scammers as Load Link offers zero protection for this. Load Link needs to be held responsible for letting the scammers on the load boards.

 

[Tip15]

UPDATE: Armstrong group has offered us 2800USD stating the $6100USD rate we originally were given by the double broker was an 'inflated rate'. They can only settle us for the 2800USD as per their carrier relations department.

Should we accept this offer or try to get collections involved and attempt to get the 6100USD we were given a rate confirmation for from the double broker who is not responding to us at all?

It is unfortunate for the shipper (Owner of the goods) by they are legally on the hook to pay the actual delivering carrier. If if that means paying twice. You need to keep the pressure on the shipper who in turn will insist that Armstrong pays or they lose future business.

We had previously used Richard Lande and recovered our unpaid freight;
Richard Lande
Lande Langford
905-319-1244

 

[WALTERK]

I sympathize with XPORTIN plight but.......
Armstrong Group has over 65 thousand carriers working for them.
They will protect their account and that's why they are talking.
If that was a direct load from them, you wold not have that problem as they are as solid as they get when it comes to paying.
Now....
As all US brokers do, they lowballed the rate by 30% to see if there was a desperate carrier to jump on it initially. Keep in mind that most of the US brokers by now know about absolute overcapacity in Canada , and they price accordingly - especially upfront.
So, before this ridiculously low rate was allowed to bubble up naturally, in-line carrier, Crooked In Line Brokerage called in and bought the load. Then, they fraudulently DOUBLE brokered it to you. Then, they collected the money and failed to compensate you for the services rendered.
And here is the problem and my take on it:
1. Armstrong failed to recognize In Line Brokerage as double brokering scum, and they sold them the load.
2. You failed to verify In Line Brokerage as a trustworthy business partner and issued them an easy credit for $6100.
I hope you see where I am going with it....
Let's analyze this from all angles:
Armstrong will pay somewhat twice for the shipment, but they failed and know it, and should.
Crooked In Line Brokerage is blacklisted in ATS system and will never see a dime from them for life.
You might have to take a rate cut due to your poor credit vetting schema. Personally, I think that you were very, very lucky that Armstrong Group was behind all of this. It could have had a whole different outcome otherwise. I was there, I know...... Good luck.

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