Wait times/ Layovers
- Thread starter horseman
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I hope you are not saying 'all brokers never pay either of these', because we sure do. Do you have a specific situation or specific beef with a single party? Perhaps best to elaborate. You're right, driver time is not free, neither are trucks, or fuel, or insurance, or maintenance, etc...
Keep well,
Mike
Keep well,
Mike
LOADED MILES
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The new thing is work in.. no pay for sitting because your late , snow, traffic , highway issues but sory your 30 min late your now a “work in” Drivers are fed up with the industry as a whole. There waiting time is always “negotiated “ not many jobs make you beg and fight for your pay . It just is paid.
Eg How would you handle a Plummer that comes to your house to fix your leaking toilet . Do you get a price b4 he shows up ? Usually an estimate . when he tells your the price do you negotiate a better price or accept that his price is acceptable for what he did. Does the plumber give his first 2 hours free. He has a van some tools and some skilled trades making 90 per hour maybe more
Drivers have a truck a trailer and a skill buy never properly paid
Drivers are going to become plumber home every night by 5pm and get paid for all their work
Eg How would you handle a Plummer that comes to your house to fix your leaking toilet . Do you get a price b4 he shows up ? Usually an estimate . when he tells your the price do you negotiate a better price or accept that his price is acceptable for what he did. Does the plumber give his first 2 hours free. He has a van some tools and some skilled trades making 90 per hour maybe more
Drivers have a truck a trailer and a skill buy never properly paid
Drivers are going to become plumber home every night by 5pm and get paid for all their work
I sympathize with your frustration on the subject of negotiating a fair rate. But, I believe you forget that the economics of supply and demand play a huge role on how carriers are being compansated. The responsible ones pay their drivers a fair rate. What is sad is that the good drivers and carriers leave the industry for better opportunities. There is no immediate fix for it, but often carriers are their own worst enemy. Add tones of equipment without securing adequate customer base and then cut each other’s throats on Loadlink - You can’t fix stupid....!
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Loaded Miles - Consider who you are pointing the finger at here. Select shippers (we all know who they are) decided years ago that they would instruct delivering carriers that they had appointments for delivery and should they arrive late, they would be a work in. Brokers did not decide this and it's not in any way a new thing. It's not like we (brokers) are collecting waiting time and refusing to pay it out.
I can't think of anyone that we have delivered to recently that still holds this policy, most especially after ELDs and even more so for LTL. Is this craziness still being enforced? Why do carriers still take freight that delivers to these facilities? We share in your frustration, making a driver wait 4+ hours for a 1 skid delivery because he/she was 3 minutes late for an appointment just isn't logical.
I had an interesting encounter this week, there's always a first time for everything I suppose. We had a bunch of carriers tell us our freight in transit was delayed due to weather (LTL and TL) this week, ok normal enough. We thanked the carriers for parking their fleets (in the name of safety) and advised them to let us know when they could deliver and that we would update all the importers/exporters and consignees for them of the delayed deliveries. This all sounds like a regular stormy week. Then, there was a brave driver who drove through an ice storm into central IL. Driver gets to the delivery location and of course they are closed, just like every other business in a 200+ mile radius (we called a lot of warehouse and crossdock facilities). Are fees due in order to compensate the driver for waiting until the next day to be offloaded? If so, who is accountable for those fees?
Happy Friday!
Mike
I can't think of anyone that we have delivered to recently that still holds this policy, most especially after ELDs and even more so for LTL. Is this craziness still being enforced? Why do carriers still take freight that delivers to these facilities? We share in your frustration, making a driver wait 4+ hours for a 1 skid delivery because he/she was 3 minutes late for an appointment just isn't logical.
I had an interesting encounter this week, there's always a first time for everything I suppose. We had a bunch of carriers tell us our freight in transit was delayed due to weather (LTL and TL) this week, ok normal enough. We thanked the carriers for parking their fleets (in the name of safety) and advised them to let us know when they could deliver and that we would update all the importers/exporters and consignees for them of the delayed deliveries. This all sounds like a regular stormy week. Then, there was a brave driver who drove through an ice storm into central IL. Driver gets to the delivery location and of course they are closed, just like every other business in a 200+ mile radius (we called a lot of warehouse and crossdock facilities). Are fees due in order to compensate the driver for waiting until the next day to be offloaded? If so, who is accountable for those fees?
Happy Friday!
Mike
Freight Broker
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That's why they're so unsuccessful. Nobody shops there because low prices are based on third world wages and getting product into the store at rock bottom rates. Its a model that obviously doesn't work. Has anyone here ever shopped there? Of course not! Personally I will gladly pay $300.00 for a pair of jeans, knowing that they were made here.. yes siree..
Igor Galanter
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Ruler, there is only one way to get wet- step into the river... Eh...
Shakey
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@Ruler if your truck was there for hours and you didn't advise until next day that could be issue for broker to get anything from client as they didn't have opportunity to mitigate the charge with getting truck empty. Typically brokers require to be advised before the grace time ends that is included in rate(1-2 hours FTL, 30 min LTL) so they can inform client there is issue and they will be charged.
Maybe some brokers don't care but please don't lump ALL brokers together. I paid a carrier 1hr 45 mins of waiting time this morning .... and my customer was also fine with it since i advised him when we started working together 2 hr free FTL, LTL 1 hr.