CTPAT/PIP/TIA

dontgetit

Member
2
why? In my opinion of no value! we have been since 2003 & no advantage. Unless hauling product that requires FAST clearance, then its a must.
 

MikeJr

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Staff member
30
Any outside party that certifies you are who you say you are (a carrier) will expedite you being approved for use as a supplier.
When I get a carrier package that is only CVOR and insurance, there's a lot of checks and balances. When I get a package that includes things like CT PAT, WSIB, PIP, etc... there are still checks but my gut feeling is that these other parties have already validated this company as a legit carrier so it's some weight off my shoulders.

Keep well,
Mike
 

Rob

Site Supporter
30
Ctpat has done us well. Unless you are hauling auto parts steady Fast is useless. No comment on PIP or TIA as never even though about getting those two.
 

dontgetit

Member
2
Any outside party that certifies you are who you say you are (a carrier) will expedite you being approved for use as a supplier.
When I get a carrier package that is only CVOR and insurance, there's a lot of checks and balances. When I get a package that includes things like CT PAT, WSIB, PIP, etc... there are still checks but my gut feeling is that these other parties have already validated this company as a legit carrier so it's some weight off my shoulders.

Keep well,
Mike
good point, but I still say useless for time/cost involved to get approved now for what its worth as a carrier
 

ONMARST

New Member
1
thank you
Any outside party that certifies you are who you say you are (a carrier) will expedite you being approved for use as a supplier.
When I get a carrier package that is only CVOR and insurance, there's a lot of checks and balances. When I get a package that includes things like CT PAT, WSIB, PIP, etc... there are still checks but my gut feeling is that these other parties have already validated this company as a legit carrier so it's some weight off my shoulders.

Keep well,
Mike
thank mike, actually i have been trying find factors which boost me to find load loads for outbound.
second challenges is i have been doing myself everything which seems to me quite impossible specially dispatching.
 

Michael Ludwig

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Ctpat has done us well. Unless you are hauling auto parts steady Fast is useless. No comment on PIP or TIA as never even though about getting those two.
I know for certain that if you are CTPAT certified, you are also PIP certified, and vice-versa. you just have to send your credentials to the other party.
Explain the "CTPAT has done us well" part please. I have not found it to be of any value to us.
We had to let our CTPAT certification go. We signed up when CTPAT first came out. We had been through 4 audits, and each time they wanted more and more security. Last time in the wanted me to do about $450,000.00 worth of upgrades to the facility, and frankly it just wasn't worth it. Nobody pays me to be CTPAT certified, and I haven't missed a load, or gained a load, because of it.
TIA is the Transportation Intermediaries Association I think and that's mostly for load brokers.
 

Gord M

Active Member
15
I know for certain that if you are CTPAT certified, you are also PIP certified, and vice-versa. you just have to send your credentials to the other party.
Explain the "CTPAT has done us well" part please. I have not found it to be of any value to us.
We had to let our CTPAT certification go. We signed up when CTPAT first came out. We had been through 4 audits, and each time they wanted more and more security. Last time in the wanted me to do about $450,000.00 worth of upgrades to the facility, and frankly it just wasn't worth it. Nobody pays me to be CTPAT certified, and I haven't missed a load, or gained a load, because of it.
TIA is the Transportation Intermediaries Association I think and that's mostly for load brokers.
Sorry Michael you stand to be corrected......C-TPAT and PIP are not connected, We have been C-TPAT certified since day 1 but we are currently waiting for our PIP certification years later. The application questions are similar but they are completely separate entities.
 

lowmiler88

Site Supporter
30
Sorry Gord but C-TPAT and PIP will now start using each others site visits for verification of their programs and cut their visits in half so their must be some connection.
 

JN1981

Member
2
You need to apply separately, the process is slightly different as are the questions but once approved CTPAT will accept PIP site validations and vice versa. I find the CBSA officers far friendlier and easier to work with than the CBP. It took us forever to get through the PIP process as they lost our application and then they had a lot of personnel turnover. I don't find either particularly useful as far as operations go, If we were not CTPAT approved it would have no impact on us.
 

Rob

Site Supporter
30
I know for certain that if you are CTPAT certified, you are also PIP certified, and vice-versa. you just have to send your credentials to the other party.
Explain the "CTPAT has done us well" part please. I have not found it to be of any value to us.
We had to let our CTPAT certification go. We signed up when CTPAT first came out. We had been through 4 audits, and each time they wanted more and more security. Last time in the wanted me to do about $450,000.00 worth of upgrades to the facility, and frankly it just wasn't worth it. Nobody pays me to be CTPAT certified, and I haven't missed a load, or gained a load, because of it.
TIA is the Transportation Intermediaries Association I think and that's mostly for load brokers.

One of my biggest shippers is Ctpat certified and requires us to be. That paper you haul to PA is supposed to be ctpat carrier also just an fyi. It may have changed but at one time it was a requirement.
 

Michael Ludwig

Well-Known Member
20
Sorry Michael you stand to be corrected......C-TPAT and PIP are not connected, We have been C-TPAT certified since day 1 but we are currently waiting for our PIP certification years later. The application questions are similar but they are completely separate entities.
What lowmiler88 and JN1981 said :)

.... I was wrong once. I thought I made a mistake ... LOL
 

Gord M

Active Member
15
thank you
Its good that you check people out, I always look at the credit report on loadlink and on Insidetransport to see if the carrier has any good or bad reviews. No one gives a crappy review unless the service was really bad...............I love this site.
 
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