Freightzz, your comment about brokers "are so cheap" is not quite right. The only place freight brokers get their rates are from carriers. OK, maybe the odd stupid ones still make them up. Today's marketplace is a classic example of what can go wrong when a broker quotes a lane without checking with a carrier first. In most cases the broker doesn't get the freight. Spot market pricing on US inbound, outbound and domestic has been steadily sinking since the summer making it virtually impossible to remain current and up to date. Over the last few weeks we have lost numerous orders, primarily LTL US outbound, by quoting our customers the exact same rate we did the shipment for a month ago. A rate by the way, that we had no problem finding a willing carrier to accept. It is my opinion that as freight volumes declined, rates went south as well and carriers did whatever they felt was necessary to keep iron on the road as opposed to parked against the fence. Now, when a freight broker asks a carrier for a rate, the new, lower rate becomes the standard. So, low rates are not caused by a bunch of freight brokers waking up one morning and saying.."hmmm, lets quote all of our customers 20% less today, the carriers will just have to accept it", it is a bit more complicated than that.