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MikeJr

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#21
Mr. Ludwig,

Thank you very much for the CTA publication. It very simply outlines concerns and the importance of working together to keep trucks rolling.

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Keep well,
Mike
 
#22
I agree with you Mr Ludwig, there are certainly a lot of platforms out on the market. A lot of options (bells and whistles) available as well. I believe what’s key to choosing an ELD platform really depends on your end usage of it. Most of the ELD platforms on the market work and either do meet, or will meet the FMCSA certification requirements. What Carrier have to decide is whether or not the higher standard platforms are within their budget, are they looking “just” to comply with the ELD Mandate and nothing more, or are they willing to pay a large amount for the analytics?
Then comes the issue of end usage, are they prepared in house for training staff, do they have a management team set up? I have an article coming out tomorrow in the Ontario Trucking News magazine talking about finding the “value” in ELD’s. My humble opinion is that if you’re not utilizing the benefits of an ELD regularly then there’s no value in it all, other than being able to say to Law Enforcement that your vehicle is equipped with one.
 
#25
I have question, We have local trucks and Some separate US fleet with ELDs only installed in US trucks. My question is that sometimes we use these trucks for local deliveries when our city truck is down or all city trucks are booked. Now in this case we are using city driver in US truck with ELD installed but the driver is not assigned log in ID. What should we do have driver carry letter from the company that he's not trained nor he is required to use log book since for local work we don't travel more then 100kms on any given day. Would the letter work for MTO if driver is ever pulled over. If the letter is sufficient then how would you write it does anyone has used the letter if yes please share it. Thanks in advance
 
#26
I have question, We have local trucks and Some separate US fleet with ELDs only installed in US trucks. My question is that sometimes we use these trucks for local deliveries when our city truck is down or all city trucks are booked. Now in this case we are using city driver in US truck with ELD installed but the driver is not assigned log in ID. What should we do have driver carry letter from the company that he's not trained nor he is required to use log book since for local work we don't travel more then 100kms on any given day. Would the letter work for MTO if driver is ever pulled over. If the letter is sufficient then how would you write it does anyone has used the letter if yes please share it. Thanks in advance
The driving time in the unit with the ELD will need to be assigned to whoever was using the truck. FMCSA's position is that if it isn't properly assigned that it is deemed by default to belong to the regular operator of the vehicle. Your proposed approach will only (and rightly) invite more regulatory scrutiny.
 
#27
Problem is that we use lot of agency drivers and do split seating on the trucks. I understand that miles that truck will run with the ELD units installed in them would have to be allocated some how to compensate for the extra miles truck ran. So in another words even with the authorization letter issued to the city driver what you are saying is it won't work.
 
#28
Problem is that we use lot of agency drivers and do split seating on the trucks. I understand that miles that truck will run with the ELD units installed in them would have to be allocated some how to compensate for the extra miles truck ran. So in another words even with the authorization letter issued to the city driver what you are saying is it won't work.
We split seat as well on our local board, but have all drivers log in and log their on duty time. You'll need to do it (provide the the documentation that proves the chain of events) in the event of an audit anyhow, so you might as well put the process in place to manage it proactively.
 

lowmiler88

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#29
chauhan12 maybe you should just put your locals on elogs also, all our locals are and never an issue, the reality is they can work up to 16 hours and really they shouldn't work more than that.
 
#30
chauhan12 maybe you should just put your locals on elogs also, all our locals are and never an issue, the reality is they can work up to 16 hours and really they shouldn't work more than that.

@lowmiler88 - couldn't agree more, thats what we've done with our drivers. Simple, consistent, and ensures that we are compliant. The first place any regulatory agency is going to dig is when there is a subset of drivers that are held to a lower standard of compliancy. That will be complicated/excaberated by the fact that agency drivers are also in the mix. I don't mean sound like I'm full of doom and gloom, but from an auditors perspective, thats a room full of red flags just begging for attention.
 

lowmiler88

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#31
Logs use to be our main concern, now they don't come into the conversation we are focusing all the lesser items (hard brake, fast takeoffs, ROP's and root cause of points) that never got talked about and it is helping.
 

Michael Ludwig

Well-Known Member
#32
I have question, We have local trucks and Some separate US fleet with ELDs only installed in US trucks. My question is that sometimes we use these trucks for local deliveries when our city truck is down or all city trucks are booked. Now in this case we are using city driver in US truck with ELD installed but the driver is not assigned log in ID. What should we do have driver carry letter from the company that he's not trained nor he is required to use log book since for local work we don't travel more then 100kms on any given day. Would the letter work for MTO if driver is ever pulled over. If the letter is sufficient then how would you write it does anyone has used the letter if yes please share it. Thanks in advance
Just a note ... Be careful that you are using the correct terminology. An example, are you really using an ELD or are you actually using an AOBRD? It's important because there is a difference. If your drivers are using an ELD, or once they start using an ELD, they must always use an ELD. However, if they are using an AOBRD, they (or you) have the choice of remaining with the AOBRD or switching to the ELD ... at least until December 16, 2019 anyways.

As for your question ... if the highway driver has brought the truck to your yard and the city driver takes over, there is no requirement (in your case) for the city driver to complete a log book, although you as the carrier are required to keep and maintain a graphical representation of the city driver's hours of service, which I am sure you do already.
A letter would be of no value as it is not required, and would most likely raise more questions and problems than it's worth. Two reasons ...
1) An E-LOG is not required yet in Canada, and your driver is in Canada.
2) Drivers and Carriers are required by provincial law to keep a graphical representation of a commercial driver's hours of service records for one reason, and one reason only ... MTO OFFICERS CAN'T READ !!!!
 

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