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Are Liquor Permits Required for Border Crossing?

Discussion in 'Starting a Trucking Business' started by misto27, Jun 16, 2014.

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  1. TransAction

    TransAction Active Member

    This discussion is making me very thirsty!;)
     
  2. EricG

    EricG Site Supporter

    Our insurance only wants to be notified if the trailer is being parked/detained in a "non-normal" parking/rest stop location or yard while loaded.

    Basically no issues with insurance, unless your leaving a trailer un-attended.. which is just asking for trouble.... with Booze its a load n go for us only... no cross docking, no drop trailers.. live load, live unload. minimizes risk for us and our insurance carrier.
     
  3. Michael Ludwig

    Michael Ludwig Well-Known Member

    Mine does, and there's no issue over it. If I'm going to haul it in any great numbers they do ask that I inform them.
     
  4. TransAction

    TransAction Active Member

    I also believe that most cargo insurance policies do not cover liquor. Not 100% sure on that, can any carriers please advise?
     
  5. youngtea

    youngtea Active Member

    Had to bump this thread, because that was a very knowledgeable post.
     
  6. misto27

    misto27 Site Supporter

    Learned something today, did not wake up for nothing! Thanks!
     
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  7. lowmiler88

    lowmiler88 Site Supporter

    We haul loads out of WI and the only state we need a permit is Indiana.
     
  8. Michael Ludwig

    Michael Ludwig Well-Known Member

    There is additional information you need...
    Liquor is defined as wines and spirits, so typically an 8% bottle of wine requires a permit. Beer very rarely, if ever, needs a permit.
    Last I checked, only certain states require liquor permits. NY, PA(?), and OH come to mind right away. MI does not.
    However, depending on which direction you are moving, and who your customer is, you may, or may not, need a Canada Excise bond.
    CBSA is exceptionally fussy about booze loads coming into Canada. Once they have been excise sealed, they cannot be opened for any reason other than delivery. This is so important it bears repeating ... once they are excise sealed, they cannot be opened for any reason other than delivery. LCBO will not accept it if the seal is broken. They will inform CBSA immediately. You will incur a tax liability of enormous proportions. You will receive a significant fine. You could very well spend a brief vacation in jail.

    Quick story as told to me by an MTO officer while he was here doing an audit (otherwise I wouldn't have believed it) ... a few years ago, right after the new cargo securement regs came into effect, a rather zealous MTO officer at the eastbound Windsor scale thought it would be a good idea to check a driver's load to see if he was compliant with the new load securement regs. It was a liquor load bound for LCBO London, out of the U.S., and had been excise sealed. The officer told the driver to break the seal. The driver refused and told the officer it was an excise seal and he couldn't break it. The officer replied that he didn't care whose seal was on it, he was MTO and could do what he liked, and proceeded to break the seal himself. Knowing full well what was going to happen, the driver called CBSA from his cell phone and told them word for word what was said, and what was going on. Meanwhile MTO officer was in the trailer walking across the top of the load. A very few moments later an RCMP car ... that's right RCMP ... showed up, looked in the trailer and told MTO officer to stay right where he was. MTO officer started to argue but was quickly told to shut up and sit down. He complied. He's in a world of hurt now and he knows it. About 20 minutes later two CBSA officers show up, and they are some pissed off. The excise seal is broken before delivery, and now they have to inspect the load to make sure none are missing. They have a brief conversation with the RCMP officers. RCMP drags MTO out of the trailer, put him in handcuffs, throws him in the back of the car, and carts him off to jail (They made his supervisor come get him out of jail). CBSA inspects the load, finds that nothing is missing, re-seals the trailer, thanks the driver for being vigilant and on the ball, and sends him on his way.

    Moral of the story: You can get away with anything in this country, but if you mess with the government's taxes, they will nail you to the wall.
     
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  9. Lwinfield

    Lwinfield New Member

    Thanks so much for the info Etienne!
     
  10. misto27

    misto27 Site Supporter

    Hi Lwinfield
    From what I know :
    Hard liquor does require permits. If the carrier does not have a year round permit, he needs permits on each and every stats he will cross into the US.
    Prices varies from one state to another.

    It can move inbond - as long as they get the temporary permits along.

    If under 15% alcohol, no permit if required - like premix single serve cans and such..

    That's what I know from experience, I might be wrong at some point - that's not an official confirmation! :)

    Hope it helps

    Regards,

    Etienne
     
  11. Lwinfield

    Lwinfield New Member

    Looking to find out how the process works for moving hard liquor across the border. If carrier does not have liquor permit can it be moved In Bond if carrier is bonded?
    Any help would be appreciated!
     

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